40hr Famine.

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40hr Famine.

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  1. ItzaHexGor

    ItzaHexGor Active Member

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    I'm doing the 40hr Famine again this year and was hoping that some people here would be willing to donate if they're able. This year all funds raised are going to kids in India and help free them from child labour, trafficking and slavery, and will fight for their rights. Donations will also provide relief for emergencies around the world, and as we've all seen, there've been a heck of a lot of them lately.

    Seriously, most of these people have either lost everything or they've had nothing to begin with. These're kids who're probably younger than most of you and they're starving, homeless, being sold off as slaves, used for trafficking and have no rights. Five bucks can feed and care for one of these kids for a month, and seriously, it's not much of an ask.

    I'm not meaning to try to pressure anyone here into it, and I'm aware that most of you might not be able to, but I'd love it if some of you were able to donate. I'm aiming for about $600 minimum, which is what I raised last year. To do so, I'm going without food, technology and furniture for forty hours, probably on the 23rd to the 24th of August.

    To donate:

    • click 'Donate Now' on the side bar
    • Type 670950427 into the box for the Individual Famine Number
    • Check the number... 'Michael Burleigh' should appear
    • Fill out your details and fill in an amount
    • Click 'Donate'

    If you're unable to donate, why not do the 40hr Famine yourself? It's easy to sign up and anything you raise will help. It's such a small sacrifice that can help out so much, so please don't just dismiss the idea.

    Thanks.
     
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    I think what you are doing is quite honorable. Good job, I hope the money you raise makes many people happy. :)
     
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    good idea, i wish i could donate some.. D:
     
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    @ Simbob. I don't really think of doing is as being amazingly honourable. Donating's the honourable part of it. I may raise the money, but it's the donators who supply the vast majority of it.

    @ KuraiKozo. Why not try it yourself? There're tonnes of things you could try. Food, technology, furniture, even hands, or a combination of all of them.
     
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    I'm really bad at this stuff, maybe if i get some more money on my debit i'll donate some =D
     
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    I have never heard about any famine or online post in some public forum changing anything about poverty in the world, nor I did heard that India was the most important country to help these days.

    If you want to stop child labor and trafficking, just stop buying them or the products they are involved into, this way they will have no more money at all anymore, and they will die quicker. Not sure if this may be considered as help though. Another way would be to build free schools for them, this way they will get some education and possibly steal your job someday. Not sure if this is smarter though.

    Good luck in this project anyway.
     
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    You've never heard of the 40 Hour Famine? What about World Vision? It's a major, worldwide charity, like Oxfam or the Red Cross. Also, it's not that India's the most important country to help these days, it's just their main focus for this year. Last year the funds went to Laos, the year before went to East Timor, the year before that was Mozambique and the year before that was Tanzania.

    The best way to stop child labour, trafficking and slavery is definitely not to simply stop buying the products that are involved with it. Most of the projects that're involved with this child abuse are illegal and any companies who make use of it wouldn't let it be known to the public otherwise they'd basically be shut down, so there's no way to simply 'stop' buying their products. I'm surprised you could even think that boycotting these people to that the kids'll die could be considered helpful or the right thing to do. That's just absolutely sickening.

    World Vision does help build schools and infrastructure, as well as providing food, shelter and treatment, and fighting for their rights, stopping slavery and trafficking. The funds also go to relieve stress for emergencies around the world, and, as a matter of fact, they've just started providing relief for Georgia.

    You seriously need to read up on it because your views at the moment are very warped.

    EDIT: The Famine isn't the only thing World Vision does either. They also sponsor children and accept general donations. Lastly, just in case you, or anyone else for that matter, feels it's a nothing issue,
    the Global Food Crisis causes a child to die every 7 seconds.
     
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    I'm wondering how exactly this will help end trafficing.
    Alot of these non profit organisations I have been seeing latley promise to end this or that and all they do is send some food and a few people to treat a symptom while ignoring the cause and letting the problems continue.

    As for relief packages; if they don't come with a dose of infrastructure sending food doesn't mean squat since all it will do is delay starvation if they have no means of supporting themselves. (once again treating a symptom instead of the causes).

    Either way I wish you well but I would like to point out that from what I remember starvation and lack of technology wasn't the goal. So far as I remember it is mainly about community service. I don't pay people to be anorexic.
     
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    Firstly, you can't simply 'end' trafficking. It's just like slavery and the Global Food Crisis. Even in fully developed and economically strong countries, there are still the poor and homeless, however it's much less than in countries like India. In India, three hundred million people survive on less that one US dollar a day, the vast majority of those people making no money at all, four hundred and forty million people can't read or write, and half of all the kids under five are malnourished. So, how would families and kids like this be expected to make money if they can't read, can't write, and are desperately poor? The answer is child labour, trafficking, and slavery. People know they're desperate and people know they're forced to do whatever they can for money, so they exploit them.

    They pay kids very little money either to work in garbage dumps, sweatshops and factories for seventeen hours a day, seven days a week, or to smuggle drugs, documents, contrabands or stolen goods past borders or security checkpoints, and also as a means for tax evasion. Parents are also often forced to even sell one of their kids in order to provide a living for the others. They receive little money for this and the children are then forced to work without any pay at all. Some people even trick poor families into sending their kids to them, making them believe they're sending their kids off to a good job, and you could imagine what a relief that would be for these poor families finally getting a lucky break, only to find out that they're being forced to work in sweatshops, etc. Lastly, often kids are just stolen from their families and made to work on farms or in dumps, and there's nothing the family can do about it because child protection laws are simply not enforced.

    So, that having been said, what's the best ways to help fighting child labour, trafficking and slavery? Providing food, providing shelter, providing the means for these families to become self sustainable and providing education, as well as enforcing child protection laws. If these poor families can be prevented from being forced to make these decisions, then child labour, trafficking and slavery will slow.

    About relief packages, it all depends on the situation at hand. Obviously you can't react to all disasters in the exact same way. I've already said that they build infrastructure, and they do teach families to become self sustainable. They build chicken runs and teach them how to run and maintain them, teach them how to plant crops and how to harvest and maintain them, they build wells and provide access to clean water as well as building schools for them to go to and provide cures and vaccinations.

    They're providing relief to the China Earthquake, the Ethiopia Crisis, Zimbabwe, the Myanmar Cyclone, and, as I've said, Georgia. A lot of the funds for these sorts of disasters go to sending aid workers, medical supplies, emergency items and building shelters.

    Starvation and lack of technology isn't a goal, it's the means of providing further donations, and hence, funding. I hope that's answered some questions.
     
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    I am thoroughouly satisfied with your answers.
     
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    Exactly what I feared.

    What is just absolutely sickening in my opinion is to join some charity organisation in order to take the right to tell people around what to think and what to do, following an exclusive thinking that pretend to have the answers to all troubles in life.

    This worldwide major World vision thing, it just looks like to be another american organisation who mixes up "american" and "worldwide". There are not problems only in Africa and South Asia, those areas are just a kind of recurring fashion everytime it's about helping people, like there is nothing else to do there that to go on holidays or to fight poverty, and that only kids deserve charity.

    The lack of food always caused people to die every x seconds, that is one of the reason why we are doing our best into evolving. Nothing new here.

    Exactly like 50% of the people in the city where I am, we have to accept any available job in order to be able to keep paying the rent of overpriced, falling appart, dumbs, to pay overpriced ****ty food and to live in a country with a terrible weather and with people who incredibly lack some education, but because this city is itself officially currently one of the weathiest in the world, nobody gives a damn.


    These people need help yes, but I don't think another charity organisation will change anything. It's been 50 years now we keep on hearing about charity all the time, but what have changed so far? My opinion is that instead of bothering the casual guys like us with such things, like it was our fault if those people are starving, maybe could it be the time to change the behaviors of all those traders who ruin our world, all those companies managers who settle anywhere and sell anything in order to get more money, to change the way this world trade center you were so proud, and that has been the target of some terrorists (terrorists = fighters who fight to claim back their lands), is currently working.

    I don't say those kids wherever they are deserve to be abused and to starve,
    I don't say Al Qaida deserves any mercy,
    I don't say "World Vision" is not able to help those kids or whoever is on the schedule,
    I just say you are probably adressing to the wrong people if you really want to help, and that if you think this post will change anything for those kids, that you are really arrogant, because the viewers of this forum and those kids are in my opinion not the right targets.
     
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    Dude, firstly, you seriously need to make your first paragraph more coherent. Or at least know what you're talking about.
    Firstly, you're not joining anything, nor have I asked anyone to join anything. World Vision doesn't tell people what to do and what to think and they don't think exclusively, nor do they pretend to have all the pretend to have all the answers. If you read what I actually wrote you'd see that what's absolutely sickening is the fact that you thought boycotting these so-called 'companies' so that the children who're being used for slavery and trafficking will die out is better than helping them become self-sustainable and self-reliant.
    I have no clue why you think this "just looks like to be another american organisation who mixes up "american" and "worldwide"". This just shows how you don't know what you're talking about. Yes, they're based in America, but they've got headquarters all over the world and serve ninety seven countries. Everyone's aware that Africa and India aren't the only countries who have problems and absolutely no-one is saying, has said, or has lead anyone to believe that that's the case. I don't know why you'd assume that unless you had no clue what you're talking about.

    So what if Africa and South East Asia aren't the only ones with problems? Should that stop them helping these kids in need? Yes it's true that these countries aren't the only places with problems, but World Vision isn't the only organisation going around trying to solve problems. Name a problem and I can guarantee there are already people working on a solution or a way to ease the severity of it. The Police help with domestic problems, Hospitals help with medical problems, the UN helps with humanitarian problems, your government will help with national problems, the Choir of Hard Knocks helps the homeless and disadvantaged in Australia and World Vision and Oxfam helps with the Global Food Crisis. So before you say 'they're not the only places that have problems', what problems are you referring to specifically? Do you want World Vision volunteers to send people over to get your cat out of a tree before they continue trying to tackle the Global Food Crisis?
    This is pure BS. We've progressed beyond 'survival of the fittest'. Just in case you haven't noticed, we're the dominant specie. For the classic example, think of Stephen Hawking. If he was left to die purely because of his motor neurone disease, he'd have never contributed to our knowledge of scientific understanding, and he's not the only example of a case like this. So, should hospitals not provide service to people who're sterile or others who have a terminal illness because they aren't going to contribute towards evolution? Should be close down retirement homes because the old people in there aren't going to have any more kids and are 'just draining resources'? If your brother or wife or mother or someone you hold dear is in a life-or-death situation, are you just going to sit there and let them die because they're not going to contribute towards evolution? Should anyone who's ever had a vasectomy or a tubal ligation be completely ignored because they're not going to contribute towards evolution? Of course not, but it makes about as much sense as giving up on these starving kids. They're ****ing human beings. Who's to say they won't contribute to the advancement of the human race anyway? They've had such a hard start and genuinely desire to have an education so that they can get a decent job to support not only themselves but their families, who's to say they won't contribute? Seems to me like they'd be putting in a lot more effort than you or me. Who's to say they're not naturally bright? Or have a different way of thinking to others? I can't believe I even have to argue that they may contribute to society. They're ****ing human beings. Give them a ****ing chance.
    You're honestly *****ing about this? You're honestly *****ing that you've got a job, got human rights, earning at least the minimum wage, with a roof over your head, with food on the table, a computer, multiple computer games and internet connection? And I'm sure that's not even scratching the surface. You act as though World Vision should be giving you a massage and buffing your shoes. Believe it or not, these kids are much worse off than you. And so what if you've got your problems? Should the whole world stop and wait until your all hunky-dory before they start helping people with real problems? Just because you're in a wealthy country it doesn't mean there are people to help you. The Choir of Hard Knocks is just one organisation that helps the homeless in Australia, and Australia's definitely among the top wealthiest countries in the world. Summing up, if you honestly think you can genuinely compare your life to their and say that yours sucks, I can't even say how ignorant you're being.
    Again, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. World Vision's been around since the 1950's and they're one of the world's largest charitable organisations, so it's definitely not 'another charity organisation'. Then there's the fact that they have changed a heck of a lot. Just because it hasn't impacted on you personally, it doesn't mean nothing's changed. Their annual budget is six and a half billion dollars, and, being a non-profit organisation, you can't say that hasn't changed anything.
    Who ever said it was your fault? When was I 'bothering' you? I posted this so that anyone who wanted to contribute, could contribute, then you come along with your 'lets stop buying from these companies that don't exist so that these kids can die quicker'. So, if you don't want to be 'bothered' by it, **** off. You honestly have no clue what your talking about.
    You don't think there are already people doing this? You honestly think that people aren't working to stop these sorts of actions and behaviours? And what on Earth has this got to do with Terrorism? If anything proves that you don't know what you're talking about, it's this.
    Again, what on Earth has this got to do with Al Qaeda? Also, how is asking as many people to consider sponsoring me for the 40 Hour Famine the wrong thing to do? Even dollar helps. Giving five bucks is the equivalent to feeding a kid for a month. What would five bucks do for you? Lunch? A snack? Would it come close to being as important as feeding a kid for a month? Anyone who is willing to donate is the right target, even just raising awareness of it is beneficial. As you may or may not be aware, in my opening post I didn't just say 'donate to me', I told people to consider doing it themselves. Getting one person to do it for themselves would easily raise more than if everyone who viewed this donated five bucks, and it would also raise awareness for all the people who they talk to about it.

    So, summing up, no hard feelings but you honestly aren't fully aware of what you're even talking about here. And finally, let me just ask you this, how many charities have you actually given to?
     
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    I never gave a penny, and will never do.

    The only thing I begged so far was a job, and at some stage in my life, the only cash I had remaining was 20 cents, and no job or friend around, and nobody gave a damn, because I still had a roof over my head as you said, because I managed the best I could the few savings I had. Now I earn €2.500 a month and the only help I had so far was from my parents, nothing from friends, the country or whatever organisation. All those people who claim me money now in the streets or for whatever causes all the time do not work like me from Monday to Sunday non-stop, that's even funny they never ask my previous landladies, who earn several times I earn doing nothing but sitting and renting overpriced wreckings.

    I like much more to focus my efforts on the causes instead of the consequences, to understand what is going on instead of claiming helping all the time, and bothering people who just try themselves to keep away as much as possible from these problems. I am ignorant? Oh yes I am, I have always be and will ever be, because whatever I will discuss, whatever I will read, there always will be some guy who will know more than me, so let it be. I always see on those advertisings on TV or magazines the same little kids in the front of the camera, looking poor and lost in the middle of nowhere, and always picture the white men behind the camera, just coming here to have some sensational pictures, and then coming back to their countries to start another humanitarian project. If I don't give, that is as much to not support that charity marketing as to provide some temporary help for those people I never met.

    All those charity organisations are just to me supermarkets to ease yourself's conscience: you feel bad for whatever reason, you go there to buy for $10 or 20$ of charity, and that's it, you feel better, no matter what will be done with your money, no matter you even don't know the names of the possible people who will take advantage of this money, and nobody can blame you for anything anymore, because you gave, so you're like immune to any kind of responsability anymore for a while. You can be a jerk at home, a jerk at work, a jerk in the street, no problem: you gave, so that is ok.

    I believe much more into contributing in your immediate environment rather than contributing to some cause in the other side of the world. I did not understand the part of your reply with diseases, Stephen Hawkings etc, but I take it you are in some kind of pride frenzy and try to make me look as stupid as possible, and by reaction to make yourself as smart and important as possible. I am now just wondering why somebody like you does not do something against those weapons factories, those traders and those governments who keep these countries poor and unable to grow, instead of writing paragraphs to me you don't even know and who will obviously not contribute into this cause you advertise...

    I am sorry to be the troll in this topic, I wouldn't have replied if you wouldn't have asked your question at the end of your last post. I just replied.
     
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    You know something? That doesn't surprise me one bit.

    What you fail to realise is that you can change all this for yourself. If your rent is so unbelievably high, move to an area where there's less demand. After all, if it's so high, it's obviously in high demand. If your house's so wrecked, talk to your landlord about getting it fixed. After all, they can't be in breach of any building or living codes. Either that or you could get a roommate or something to help with the rent. If your job pays so little, look for a better one or work harder for a promotion or a raise. After all, they have to pay you at least the minimum wage, they can't make you work non-stop seven days a week (without overtime at least), and you're obviously skilled for the job. Either that or you could just work in a field that you find enjoyable, in which case it doesn't matter what you make. If you don't have any helpful mates, go out and socialise. Either that or you could try helping them out and get things rolling. All in all, you can help yourself. These kids can't.

    Those people on the streets who ask you to donate, it's obvious they don't work all day seven days a week, because they donate half their time to try and help the less fortunate. It's volunteer work. They're not getting paid for that. They've got other jobs and go back to homes much like yours. Do they ***** about their lives? Of course they don't because they understand what's happening elsewhere in the world. Now obviously just knowing there are people struggling in the world doesn't mean they have a great life, but it certainly means they can appreciate what they have, which you obviously can't.

    Also, you saying you've practically never gotten any help from anyone, how many people do you try and help? What's wrong with asking your mates for favours? What makes you deserve to get help from others when you're actually opposed to helping others yourself? Just imagine how much it'd help and how grateful you'd feel if someone came into your life and took the pressure off the rent, did up your home, helped with your workload, and just gave you a great life. How grateful and thankful would you feel? Now imagine how these kids, who have absolutely none of the luxuries you have, and do so much more physical labour for even less money, would feel if people like you started to sponsor and donate to them.

    If you'd like to focus your efforts on the cause and not the consequences, then how are you so opposed to charities? That's exactly what charities do. That's what I was explaining to BoP. Also, not knowing about something doesn't automatically mean your ignorant. There's a huge difference between being ignorant and stupid. Those 'white men' you imagine standing behind the camera, they aren't professional photographers. They're volunteers. They're not doing it for the national news or some other program that's just concerned with rating, they're doing it to make a difference. The only real costs for these charities are for actually distributing their advertisements, and only eight percent of World Visions funds go towards that. If you're still opposed to it, then you're being irrational. How would people be expected to donate to and sponsor kids if these charities did not promote themselves? How would anyone be expected to know of World Vision or any other charity if they didn't advertise? If a two identical brands came out, one advertised and the other didn't, which would make more sales? So yes, eight percent of what you give will go towards promotions, but without all those promotions, and without raising all that awareness, without showing people what these kids really go through, how would they be able to help them?

    I don't see how you can rationally see charitable organisations as supermarkets where you can ease your self conscience. Just because some people might go there to ease their guilty conscience, how is that the charities fault? Besides, why shouldn't someone who's actually making a difference feel good about themselves? They've done a heck of a lot more than you have. Also, in your little rant here, you've again demonstrated that you know very little about charities. The people who receive the money do not 'take advantage' of the money given to them because, well, how can they? Do you think that the volunteers from World Vision just show up, give them a thousand bucks, say 'go for your life', then leave? Of course they don't. They build shelters, wells, schools, chicken runs and crops. That community will now have a place to stay, water to drink, an education and food to eat, sell and trade. Do you honestly think that no-one can blame someone who's just donated for anything? Do you honestly think they're immune to any responsibility? If a mate of yours donated, are you just going to start doing his dishes, taking his trash out and kissing his feet? Are people seriously going to treat him any differently than they did before? If you donate, then brag about it and start trying to take advantage of it, you're a jerk no matter what. Just giving doesn't mean your not a jerk and it never has.

    If you only believe in helping our your immediate environment, then you're being selfish. Either you want to receive some of the benefits, or you want to be able to witness the changes.

    The part about Stephen Hawking was in response to you saying "The lack of food always caused people to die every x seconds, that is one of the reason why we are doing our best into evolving. Nothing new here." Basically you're saying that killing off these kids, who're apparently the weakest despite being kids, is one of the reasons why we're doing out best at evolving, which is complete rubbish. We've progressed beyond needing to evolve. We're still evolving, and we're the dominant specie, so there's no need to let these kids die just to evolve, which's why we've got hospitals, etc, and are constantly looking into new cures for diseases and illnesses, not to mention that having a disease or illness doesn't mean that you cannot contribute to the advancement of the human race, which is where people like Stephen Hawking come into it. If I misinterpreted what you were implying, feel free to say so. If not, I hope that's cleared that up.

    Why don't I try to do something against those weapons factories? I do. I've been to tonnes of Anti-Gun rallies, signed petitions and always given my support. If you're wondering why I haven't done more, I'm seventeen. There's not an awful lot more you can do at, and to, my age. Why haven't I done something against all those illegal traders? I have. World Vision helps with that, which was what I was saying to BoP. As a matter of fact, it's one of the focuses for the Famine in India this year. Why don't I do something against those governments who keep their counties poor and unable to grow? I have. Again, World Vision. Why don't I do it instead of writing here? 'Cause this is my spare time, 'cause posting here would encourage others to donate, sponsor kids of their own and do things like the Famine themselves, 'cause posting here raises awareness, 'cause posting here clears up a lot of issues that people like you and Bop are obviously unaware of.

    So you're honestly not contributing because I advertise? So who are you going to contribute to? People who don't? Good luck with that. I've already spoken about advertising campaigns, etc, but just quickly again, how would people be expected to know which charities they can donate to, what those donations go towards, what the problems are, etc? Charitable organisations advertise because they acquire so many more donations when they do. As I said before, if there was a company that didn't advertise, and an identical company that did, which would make more money? Also, if you don't contribute to companies that advertise, where do you buy your clothes? Where do you buy your food? Where did you find your house? Where did you find your job? How would you have bought a computer? How would you be connected to the internet? How would you have StarCraft? How would you be anticipating the arrival of StarCraft2?
     
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    Keep it civil please.
    I would hate to have to call the mods.

    I do however have to point out that he is right about some points. There are people in need EVERYwhere so we need to stop focusing on JUST Darfur and just India . In addition wouldn't it be prudent to help the people in your own city who are starving before shipping the money all across the world?

    Does something make your own neighbors less deserving?


    Also don't say I don't know what Is going on.
    I know exactly what is going on. Do you know what food they send to these starving children? Short grain white rice. One of the most nutritiously devoid foods on the planet. This rice may fill them up but it cannot cure their malnutrition and all it does is prolong their suffering till their organs shut down which is a very horrible way to die. On top of sending nearly worthless food MOST(not all) of these charity organisations ONLY send food. Most of these organisations don't do a damn thing to actually help these people get their own resources and make their own food.

    Most of these organisations are merely money sinks for people with extra money to throw away their guilt by saying they are doing something good when all they are doing is a mere gesture so when someone asks if they help people they can say they send money to some kid in some country.

    I still can't believe most of you people who are willing to shell out wads of cash to help people around the world when most of you can't spare some change for the homeless guy down the street. You should help those around you first because YOU can help them and if you have something beyond that to give then you can then give it away to help others.

    In addition you do have to think hard about the food aid. Everyone claims that $5 will feed one kid for one month. The problem with this shallow tinking is that they need doctors or they die of disease. Shelter or they die of exposure. Clean water. Also if you don't educate them then they are utterly worthless to sociecty. If they can't work once they are old enough for it then they can't make anincome or food to help their own children and neighbors and all that happens is a bunch of poor uneducated people living in the slums having more poor starving children. it is not enough to help somone in need. It is a pointless gesture unless you give them the tools to pick themselves up and help themselves to the point where they can survive on their own without your help. Also why just helping the children. When you become an adult do you suddenly not become worth helping? or is it just that we send money to help the childen for the reason I stated above: it makes us feel better?

    I should alo point that if you help just the children and not the adults then you are harming the children by letting their parents die.
     
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  16. Babmer

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    My main gripe with charities (lol i almost wrote christians) is i have no damn idea where my money ends up. For all the majority of people know it could end up in the slave masters hands :p. The majority of such illegal organisations are in corrupt areas, it really wouldnt surprise me =(.

    But frankly half of those countries are drowning in debt to countries like USA, China, even England, whatever we give it will not change until such countries can get out of their debt and finally be able to stand on their own two feet again.

    But sure, if you know definatly that you will save lives by donating to a charity you know for SURE, then i perfectly agree you should!
     
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    Hi ItzaHexGor,

    I agree with your points. Let just say I don't believe in that anymore.

    By the causes and the consequences, my opinion is that if something should change, this is the behaviors of the governments and the companies, and that by helping the poor people, you just help the ones behind who just ruined those people's lifes, you just add a kind of make-up to the reality, reducing the bad points as you can, which just encourage the bad guys to keep going, as you are finally just a plumber/doctor/whatever who come afterwards and try to help, therefore erasing the troubles, the evidences, made by somebody else.

    My opinion is that if all those efforts into helping the poor people were focused on kicking the asses on all those managers of governments and companies, who corrupt governments, sell weapons, settle facilities in order to pillage the local resources and so on, this would be much better for everybody.

    Maybe this is some stupid idealism or irony, I don't know, but I sure think this is less sickening than claiming to be the good guy with girls and friends and family and so on, while you just make the same job than many other people (holding a camera, driving a truck, making food, advertising etc), who don't claim anything beyond doing their job. I am not a super hero, I am already dealing with the troubles in my own life and that's already some challenge to me, and I sure will not give to somebody in the other side of the world while I sure feel I am missing something here. I don't feel guilty at all if somebody else experience more troubles than me, especially in the other side of the world. The only way I would would be of course if I was responsible somehow, or if I was partying and buying useless stuff and/or being on holidays all the time.

    Thank you for your attention, and good luck in this project.
     
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    Not its not.

    They only send short grain white rice which has a nutritional content on par with the boxes and bags its shipped in.
     
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    So they can eat the boxes and bags too?
    Great!