attempted murder same punishment as murder?

just thought up this interesting topic

do people declared guilty of attempted murder deserve the same punishment as murders?

 

No they don't! I should no in 2005 I was convicted of attempted murder and I did my sentence. I wasn't a murderer and I learned my lesson. I see them as two separate things.

 

Bralbers, are you for real?! Why would you say that on a forum?
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Anyways, I say: of course.
Just because you failed, that does not mean that you were not planning to do it. If someone tries to hit an officer, but mis, they still get peppersprayed. Attempt something and succeed, has the same thought behind it as attempting and then step into the phail boat.

 

Dude, Bralbers if you're for real I will look at you with a whole new look and I am officially scared of you....

 

I am for real about that. Yes I was convicted, yes I did try. But I'm not a bad person. I realized my mistakes in life and I'm doing my best to change it. I won't hide my past because when you try to not face your past is when you will get into trouble again. If you guys hate me because I did that then I'm sorry for your guys loss. I just feel it's not fair to condemn a person because of one mistake.

 

I don't hate you...It's just that I am think headed so it will take me a while to get that through my little thick head....I'm not really scared of you, but I will look and think of you in a different way because I don't see reason anyone should ever even think of harming another person. You can ask my friend, it's been almost 6 years since I've been in a fight. But I still love you...

 

Then don't post such a thing. I do not care what you did now, since this is just a forum. However, it is kinda weird to just say such a thing. And I think it is wrong to judge people you have never met, although I am at least a bit biased about you now.
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About the subject, did you expect this to happen ijffdrie?

 

You think this is weird try imagine when my finance introduced me to her friends.Lol now that was funny.I uploaded a picture of myself in one of the threads and thats what I look like now. Then I had bright red spikes hair, I wore wife beater shirts, baggy pants, and tennis shoes. I smoked, drank, and would think nothing of hitting someone.I'm different now.I know it seems weird to say it on a forum but i say it because I feel comfortable on here and so I'm relieving who I am,both past and present.

 

I don't see why not. Unless it's proven that you failed to kill because you realised what you're about to do and stopped, the only difference is a lot of luck, which changes nothing regarding punishment.

Bralbers, nothing against you, but it's not "just one mistake" if someone is about to conciously murder someone else. There are plenty reasons for doing so and they might not be a bad person, but that's the same case with actual murder and I believe there are different levels of punishment for those cases. (At least here)

I don't know what your case was, but it's good to hear you haven't gone through with that and I hope you'll never have to try again

 

this reminds me of the book (and movie) minority report.

and no, the punishment for attempted murder shouldn't be the same as murder

 

i kind of think of this issue as the revenge vs. safety debate

a jsutice system that is based on revenge will probably choose no
a justice system based on safety will say yes

 

Justice systems based on revange are biased.
That's why I like Holland, it has no jury and is always objective because of that.

 

In North Carolina,USA the way the courts are here is that you are guilty until proven innocent. Plus I think people who have done attempted are safe, as long as they seek therapy. Too want to do something like that means there is something deep that needs to be consulted.

 

I think that method sucks.
You can be sued for pretty much anything, and you are always guilty untill you prove otherwise. How many innocent people could be in jail because of that? 5 percent or so?

 

In America we claim that you are innocent until proven guilty, at least that's what the constitution states. Why does the method suck?

 

You said in you previous post that everyone is guilty untill proven innocent. :s
Or am I going crazy? -- Edit: nope, that is what it says.

 

The US constitution states that everyone is innocent until proving guilty. But most times the courts will see you as guilty until proving innocent. like here in North Carolina,USA a girl can scream rape without any evidence and they will throw the man into prison for the rest of his life.

 

Cynical much?

From your posts (bral+Aurora), neither of you have too much understanding of the 'justice' system.

 

Fenix, I live in Holland. I am asking questions, not claiming to know stuff. And Bralbers was in the system, my guess is that he knows pretty much. He just keeps it basic because I am a n00b here. -I think.-

 

I do know the system. Heck my dad even works in a maximum security prison. They have the leader of the west coast crypts there. I'm trying to explain that our justice system here in america claims an individual accused of a crime has to be proven guilty first before any punishment can be dealt. But in the state of North Carolina located in the United States of America it doesn't work that way. An inmate that works for my dad at the prison, for instant, was accused by his step-daughter of raping her. There was no evidence to support the claim. Because she said he did though they threw him in for 20 years. The guy is 30 right now. Sure he'll be 50 when he gets out. But that still basically takes his life away. A lot can change in 20 years.