ClimateGate

So how many people actually heard about this thing? I was wondering how much attention is the mdeia in your area actually paying to this hoax. At first I thought it was just something for Fox to beat up on but once cnn got involved I was pretty disappointed.

 

I haven't spent very much time looking deeply into the subject, however based on what I do know calling it a hoax is a very biased view of the situation. It's more people blowing something out of proporition than anything fake.

 

Well as far as 'global warming sceptics' are concerned I think their interpretation is so far from mine that I think it is deserving of calling the 'scandal' a hoax of sorts. Of course some lightly dubious foundings were discovered but it is as you say being blown way out of proportion.
Come to think of it the word 'hoax' was not properly used in what I wrote so just forget about that.

 

Its being pretty much ignored by Australia's media even though our conservative opposition party just exploded due to infighting relating to environmental policy. Most of our "climate skeptics" are ignoring it as just a bit of American sensationalism.

 

First time I've ever heard of it.

I think people ask the wrong question. It's not about wether climate change does affect the earth or not. Its wether it affects humanity or not what should really be the main concern, and the answer is YES. Even a slight increase in the sea level can sink the shores all over the globe, and It's stupid to think that you can somehow launch 1 gazillion CO2 into the atmosphere every year and expect nothing to happen.
Is Earth in danger? Certainly not, It survived many cataclysmic events and will survive many more.
Is humanity, at least as we know it, in danger? Sure, it is. I wouldn't worry that much though. I'm sure we'll come up with something, like a giant freezing machine in the poles.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59P0AIcUoh8&feature=sub#movie_player Watch the ending for the goodies

 

I think this reminds us of an important fact for those of us who seek truth. If you didn't do the research yourself, then be cautious of supporting the claims made by those who did. Your belief in their theory, is no more than a belief in their sincerity.

 

Where can I find these emails? I have been looking all over for them. I have always thought this global warming thing to some kind of elaborate hoax, so I am dying to see them.

If anyone knows where I can see the actual emails, I would be very grateful.

 

The E-mails don't prove anything one way or another Rebel, they just some scientists are human and smoetimes willing to go to far to prove something they believe to be true. If you searched the E-mails, claiming climate change was a hoax you would likely find similar things.

 

Maybe not as dead on proof as they are hard evidence that a lot of information on this global warming thing is being tampered with to further support it... at least thats what I have heard they are about. I just want to see them so I can decide for myself, but as you say when I do a search on them all I get is websites talking about the emails, but not the actual content itself.

 

It is not a few select email but thousands, and from what I have heard most of them personal and irrelevant to the climate disscussion. I am not surprised your having trouble finding them.

 

Have you actually seen some of them yourself? Why is it so hard to find them?

 

No I havn't seen any of them. TBH I don't really care, they don't show anything substanial one way or another, if they did we would still be hearing a bunch about them.

 

Hmm, I am not so sure about that... maybe someone doesn't want us to know much about them, and efforts are made to hide that information and wane public interest in them. Any opinion on the emails is abstract without actually viewing them, which is why I won't even acknowledge or reject the credibility of the emails until I have seen them for myself.

Since the emails are about global climate change, what are your opinions on the global warming scare?

 

Those damn scientists! How come they are not willing to disclose all their personal email huh?

 

Or maybe the significance of the emails is what is being exaggerated, and the scientists were pretty honest except for some i's and t's they didn't dot and cross? This is the problem with not having done the research yourself; you just don't really know one way or the other.

Perhaps that is the goal? To obfuscate truth, whatever truth is. Because knowledge is power, and denial of knowledge is control.

But what do I know

 

I don't know higgs, if someone is holding information on a potential scandal that affects the entire world don't you think we should know about it? It wouldn't be like opening up somebody's email of him telling his long distance girlfriend how much he wants to sex her right now... these emails regard issues in society that can affect all of us. I would just have reasonable questions like why are these men and women manipulating the data to support the theory that humans are affecting global climate, that is to say if these accusations are true or if the emails aren't just one big hoax. Then again I heard stuff like how the scientists were going around saying things like, "oh yes the emails are ours but you're misunderstanding what was said." so it's not like they're denying it. But I can't really say much else about the emails because I haven't seen them for myself and I am not in full understandment of what is being said in them.

You know enough to have a point. Powerful groups have always gone out their way to deny any knowledge that would weaken their power. The corrupt roman catholic church would straight out lie to the masses about what is said in the bible to get them to act occordinely that interests the church's power system. 99% of people couldn't even read to know the difference of what the bible actually says and what the crooked priests told them. What I think about this global warming hype is that it is a scam that is being thrown to the people to get a compliance for a carbon tax.

 

You are correct, back in logistics they taught us to prepare for carbon tax on trade and transportation in the coming years...

The honest truth here is that we are not killing the planet, they have managed to convince people that when the weather is cold, it's out fault, when it's warm, yes your fault again. And we'll charge you for it.

There is more than enough information and evidence to prove that the earth is in fact cooling, but no one wants to talk about that, it's more important to watch less than 15% of our Ice melt and pretend the sea level will rise. :wacko:

 

Please present your case. Share with us that information and evidence. By the way if you do indeed posses this information why don't you just get it peer-reviewed, publish it and win a Noble prize?
What is going to come up next? There is more evidence for creationism than evolution? Astrology? 9/11 was an inside job?

You made a bad move sir. You openly challenged something which has been sealed by scientific consensus long time ago. You cannot just assert some bull**** in here and get away with it. This is not church - this is science. So you better falsify that neat little graph which shows average temperatures on earth steadily going up for the past couple of centuries AND present your own little graph with the opposite trend or rethink your strategy.

 

I'm in no way an expert in the field of science, nor do I have any idea how to go about proving this right or wrong by using it. However, I can look at the course of history in small amount of time man kind has been on earth. There has been major climate change, and entire regions have shifted from lush green environments to sandy desert. I can look at things like scientific studies of prehistoric animals where they had packed seeds and leaves where currently there are none. I do believe we are effecting our planet in some way. However, I believe climate change to be something that happens naturally, and regardless of what we do to prevent our involvement in it the climate will continue to change.

The attempts we make to slow it down or stop it just delay the inevitable. The polar icecaps will melt, there will be snow where there was once sand, and lush tropical forests will die out. History shows us that its been going on for more then 50,000 years. I doubt there is much we can do to change its course.