there was an article in the newspaper about this, and ill try to explain in english In Holland, there are 25 chiefs of police, and one needs replacement, the other chiefs of police brought forth an applicant for this open position, but this was refused by the minister of internal affairs because the applicant is a white male and she is aiming for more of a balance between male's and female's for high position and the same with people with foreign origins. Important to note is that she couldnt find a female or someone of foreign origin herself so just appointed another white male. Was the first white man refused with good reason? i think not. Important to me is that many feminists say that the genderial(lol) unbalance in high positions is an example of men still running society. I wholly disagree with this, since complete gender equallity(or nearly complete) has only existed for a decade or 2, and a lot of women from those times were too caught up in the old ways to immidietly get a job, thus ending in women having less time on the corporate ladder to work themselves up, the same goes for people of foreign origin. I think we shouldnt refuse white people or males merely because of their race and gender as well, since that is racism/sexism.
I believe that merely having a gender checkbox on applications implies that it matters and is inherent sexism weather intentional or not. I don't think it should matter, and thus shouldn't be on a job application because it shouldn't be factored in. Qualifications, experience, and work ethic should be the deciding factor. I feel the same about race. I am against Affirmative action because, though I agree that minorities deserve a chance, I see that system as a form of overt racism since it puts a quota on how many minorities are required, not only does this discriminate against non-minorities, but it objectifies the minorities as a statistic or quota that must be attained, and something like that does not belong in schools or the workplace. I also find it kind of stupid for someone to reject someone on race and gender and then choose someone of the same race and gender anyways. That's not right.
The reason that little check box is on the app is because of Affirmitive action and making sure your business is "diverse" in emplyees. I think its stupid too, but because so many people.. especially in the USA and the world are haters and bias, I dont think its such a bad system. I know black people who were fired and their boss's said its because they were black. And i dont consider the ghetto I live by to be actively racist.. so I can only imagine how bad other places are. And i dont quite get the origin of the post? this person is claiming they were denied an App because they were white? Was he applying for the black panthers? I dont quite understand this.. and feel every story has its side.
I think worrying about the diversity of race in jobs etc is hypocritical because if race really didn't matter to you, you wouldn't care if was more whites than blacks or more Asians than Mexicans etc or for balance because if you don't see race they are all the same anyway. That is what I think the main problem here is, we are trying to fix the problem of racism by just reversing it, instead of actually getting rid of it as a whole. If race didn't matter etc, so there shouldn't even be an affirmative action. You can't have a problem with all white employees and not a problem with all black or other race of employees, it works both ways and a lot of people are too scared to be labeled racists or too closed minded to understand that. Simply, it should be the best person for the job gets it, there gender or race shouldn't even matter in this regard.
I think that to other people, gender and race seem to matter. For me, I would accept anyone as long as they can do the job. I don't care about the ratio of female to male workers, if males want the job more than femalss, then fine, as long as work gets done. If more females have a job, then fine, as long as the job gets done. Personally, I despise people who judge based on gender or race. It's extremely stupid, as you could be passing up an asset to your company or whoever the employer is. If you ask me, it's first come first serve even if males are all first to apply for something.
Wait. So instead of re-hiring the first guy because they couldn't get the expected employee, they went and got another guy? ...Oh wow.
oh and on the same subject, the national organization for emancipation isnt happy, according to research women bosses are just as good as men bosses, instead of better. They really said that. If i didnt think of it as damn funny i'd be offended
"let me guess; The national organization for emancipation mainly has female members?" Seeing as they asociate emancipation with female superiority that would be my guess
Apperently no one, not one single person, on this forum thinks that gender and forign balence is importent.
This alone seriously makes me wanna vomit. its not a matter of whether or not people are hippocrits or not or whether affirmitive action SHOULD or SHOULDNT be in our lives. Its that fact that this IS real and it DOES happen and it Effects people. You may not care about race all damn day, this doesnt mean your neighbors or the people around you, including your employers dont. You have no idea how serious racism in the job, even when you urself are ignorant to it because it isnt always black & white and cant always be fought since lawyers and the legal systems means you need money to press a case, can seriously **** a legitimate worker over. Ive seen it, its effected me and people in my life and im also surrounded by friends and people who have no idea it even exists or existed. i dont think this is something that will ever go away and if we cant even rid ourselves of the Monitary system, then Affirmitive action is nessicary and at alot of time, not enough.
How is racism and discrimination necessary? If we continue to do things to benefit one race at the expense of others then how can we hope to end racism?
I actually understand what happened, I dealt with it first hand. I used to work in a Deli and there was a time when one of our employees quit (recently after we'd changed store management) and our Deli manager was told that not only could he not hire another male, but that he had to get rid of some of his male employees because they wanted to even the male/female ratio. I was irate and told them that was complete bs, the reason we didn't have any female employees was because we had no female applications. There aren't a lot of women who want to work in a deli frying chicken and such. Are there some women who do? Of course, but not nearly as many as men. So since we didn't have any female applications we had to wait short handed until three weeks later we got a female application where as if we didn't have restrictions we could have had that person replaced in two days. I also thought it incredibly unfair that three other male employees were forced to transfer farther from their homes because of a stupid ratio statistic.
i guess in in curtain situations no matter how you look at it your eff'd. We only see the bad tho and forget it does bring good.
