fighting Illidan in outland makes lots of sense

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fighting Illidan in outland makes lots of sense

Discussion in 'Space Junk' started by ijffdrie, Nov 4, 2009.

  1. ijffdrie

    ijffdrie Lord of Spam

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    its true
     
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    Yes, but killing him does not.
     
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    Killing him, and Kaelthas, and Lady Vashj... Magtheridon was KILLED in WC3, somehow they brought him back.. just to get him killed again.
    Fortunately they made things up in WOTLK.. although the coliseum sounds like a stretch.. how did the argent crusade get a hold of the twin valkyrs for example?
    And Anubarak being in two different instances and being killed TWICE is a bit too much imo.

    Still, I love WoW... but I guess you can't have a good mmo without damaging the lore here and there..

    Anyway, the thing that hurts WoW the most its the lack of continuity. Ok, so you want Illidan killed.. ok, but it should STAY dead. If you farm him every week it doesn't make any sense. Unfortunately, there's no way around this.
    It will be PARTIALLY fixed with this new phasing tecnique, which will allow Blizzard to make quests that will impact the environment (a.k.a wrathgate questline and soon enough Cataclysm)


    On related news, I have officially finished the WOTLK content. I just killed Anubarak in Toc25 .. W00t!

    (normal difficulty, ofc)
     
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    Aurora The Defiant

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    Killing Illidan was a bad idea anyway. Blizzard has this bad habit to kill their most interesting characters, and leave the dumb ****s alive.

    By the way, can you ever get to the World Tree and such in WoW?
     
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    ijffdrie Lord of Spam

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    world tree is in an instance and Hyjal will become a zone next expansion

    The outland story makes a little more sense then some people say it does, we(at least the horde) dont start fighting Illidan without a reason, but only start fighting armies under his direct control in shadowmoon valley, before that its just fel orcs(which we dont know are under his control until either Blood Furnace or Terrokar Forest). And Magtheridon being alive isnt that big of a stretch, his death wasnt really confirmed in WC3(sure, we fought him and beat him, and he had a death animation, but that could just be interpreted as gameplay mechanics)


    oh, and if you thought figthing anub'arak twice was weird, Icecrown has 3 bosses we killed before(the scourge elf princes, though, since those are undead they could just have been reanimated). I just started to interpret all deaths in WoW as severe beatings :p

    And killing Illidan was a shame, Arthas a little less since he at least got some personal story(killing Ner'zhul in the book and destroying his heart in WotLK)
     
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    Aurora The Defiant

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    You kill Arthas?! Sweet.

    But anubarak is also undead, so I don't really see the problem with him being revived. And Fell Orcs are Orcs who drank the blood of a Pit Lord, so they could belong to a whole bunch of characters. I just wish Blizzard would make a Pandaren race. Would make for some funny lore with those Brewmasters. ^^
     
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    ijffdrie Lord of Spam

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    Arthas will probably be killable next patch

    though he actually kills you first


    I like how they are making the kills a bit more suitable for lore, like how Malygos wasnt defeated by the players, but by Alexstraza after being pounded by a swarm of smaller dragons
     
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    Aurora The Defiant

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    Lol, that makes me remember that hilarious conversation between the Lich King and those other major characters you posted a while ago. xD
     
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    ijffdrie Lord of Spam

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    oh yeah, that one was epic.

    But apparently the lich king kills the entire raid, but Fordring(leader of the argent dawn, argent crusade and now ashen verdict) has a trick up his sleeve and you fight frostmourne from the inside so you can free all the souls
     
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    Aurora The Defiant

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    Lol. I have looked for the thread for quite a while now, but can't find it anymore. >_<
     
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    Naxx bugs me.

    I mean, HOW many times has, say, Noth been killed? Heigan?
     
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    ijffdrie Lord of Spam

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    most dungeon runs arent canon. In the original position of Naxx only a small number of bosses died
     
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    I just think that killing pretty much any raid boss is silly.

    I mean, yeah, in AQ40, there were 40 of you, but honestly....How could even 40 people defeat (not even kill) an Old God?
     
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    ijffdrie Lord of Spam

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    well, Ch'tun wasnt killed by 40 people lorewise. More along the lines of the entire armies of The horde, The alliance, the cenarion circle and the brood of nozdormu after several months of gathering recources.

    And to top it all off, the attack was led by the big brother of the guy who managed to hurt Sargeras.
     
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    And Ragnaros... Isn't he supposed to be dead and now he's helping Blackwing or Deathwing or whatever to create the cataclysm along with all the other big daddy elementals?

    I'd love to be able to fly towards the Maelstrom.. maybe you could have a really cool dungeon flying above it. AWEZOMEZ
     
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    ABOVE the Mealstrom? Are you nuts? UNDER the Maelstrom is where the good stuff is. ^^
     
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    ijffdrie Lord of Spam

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    Ragnaros was defeated yes, but he was merely a summoned elemental and thus returned to the firelands, the elemental plane of fire
     
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    Wait you fight the Lich King from inside Frostmourne?

    ...Does this mean you'll be fighting with Saurfang the Younger who died at the battle of Wrathgate?
     
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    ijffdrie Lord of Spam

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    no, apparently Saurfang the younger and Bolvar have been turned undead.
     
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    ijffdrie Lord of Spam

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    Also, Kael'thas defecting to the legion was mentioned before the sunwell patch.

    And to people who say that even though the horde Blood Elves want to join Illidan your faction is still fighting them in outland; This is not true.

    In hellfire peninsula, you encounter two of Illidan's projects. One you actually fight against as the horde, but you dont know its from Illidan(the Fel orcs), the other one you fight against as a member of the cenarion expedition, though you still dont know that the Giants serve illidan(fallen sky ridge)

    Illidan's has no forces in zangarmarsh(the broken there are independant IIRC, dont fully remember, did quests a long time ago)

    Now in blade's edge he doesnt have forces either. And in Nagrand all there is is a bunch of fel orcs, which you dont know are Illidan's yet(and you dont fight them on behalve of the horde, but of the mag'har).

    Now in Terrokar you fight fel orcs and some Blood Elves, but you fight the Blood Elves on behalve of the cenarion expedition.

    And yes, in both Shadowmoon and Netherstorm you fight Illidan. But in the first one Illidan started attacking, AND you find out he is allied with demons. And after your quests in Netherstorm pretty much all the blood elves in the horde know that Kael'thas allied with demons(hell, there are even some defecting NPC's to illustrate this)


    The more quests i do, the more of these storylines seem to make sense.
    Illidan's madness could have been done better though, like being corrupted by Kael'thas and Vashj