Ghost

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Mong0!, Jan 27, 2009.

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Yo believe in ghosts

Poll closed Sep 25, 2012.
  1. No... only stories, all "proof" is faked

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  2. Yes. Pretty much things proves that they exist

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  3. both, sometimes it does feel like there is ghosts

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  4. dont care, stupid poll, MOVE TO SPACEJUNK!!!

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Ghost

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Mong0!, Jan 27, 2009.

  1. Mong0!

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    You believe in ghosts?
     
  2. BirdofPrey

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    I think that ghost exists. Enough bizare stuf that fits the profile has happened. We have thousands of people who claim to have seen wierd ****, and no ammount of science is going to reverse eyewitness reports. Not everything is a huanting though, old houses do creak and make strange noises.

    Also if ghosts don't exist, then somone needs to come up with another explanation to the strange **** that happens in some places, and most likley new explanations would be much more bizzare.
     
  3. Mong0!

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    but yet you voted no:p
     
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    I forgot to vote.
    I believe they exist, but they aren't proven. (In truth though, not m uch is actually proven, most of science is speculation and theory)
     
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    No, that was me, I just didn't want to comment on it. But now I had to because you jumped to false conclusions :p

    Ghosts are the things that were invented to 'explain' the inexplicable things that tend to happen. They're no more real than Murphy's laws. The reason ghosts are so widely known and believed to exist is because death, the soul, and the return of the dead as ghosts has always been an important topic in every culture.
     
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    I believe science is far from (dis)proving everything and there's certainly a lot more to the world than we know so far.
    Wether it's ghosts or something else only time (or raising you awareness!) will tell.
     
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    you people cant really prove that they exist,
    THEY ARE ALL CLOAKED!

    besides, you need a science vessel...
    [/parody post]
     
  8. Babmer

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    I dont believe in them.

    But the unknown **** that happens scares me. Cause we have yet to find a logical reason for it :(.
     
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    LOL

    Joke aside, I have to agree with Meee. Science explains alot of things, but it is far from perfect and far from proving or disproving many things, ghosts are one of them. If Ghosts don't exist then what are people really seeing? What really makes those noises and opens doors, and moves chairs? Also the more we learn, the more odd the universe seems. For instance, recent evidence leads to the universe being a 3 dimentional hologram projected from the inside of a sphere (I **** you not) Hyence my commment that if ghosts don't exist, then something stranger does.
     
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    Pair that quote with your eye witness post, my answer is fairly simple. Mental disorder. How can people see themselves fat when they're not? How can people fear fruits? It's all in their heads... the brain can do marvellous things you know.
     
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    So EVERYONE who sees a door open by itself, or is spooked by something they see a glimpse of is crazy?
     
  12. Mong0!

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    hallucinations, bad memory where the chair stood, wind open door.
     
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    And not just wind, but tilted hinges, etc. And noises can be made by wood or other materials expanding/contracting from loss/increase in humidity. Also houses constantly move right from when they're built, making noises, cracks in the walls, as well as tilting walls and thus making doors behave in an unexpected way.

    Everything can be explained, although saying it's the works of ghosts is certainly easier.
     
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    I've just heard book fall to the side on the shelf. None of books there were moved for days, if not more. *gasp!* Gotta be ghosts!
     
  15. Mong0!

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    or a prank:p
     
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    Prank? How, pray tell?
    I'm clearly the only person in the room, no one else is even close. Wind is not an option either, I'm right there so I'd know.

    I think it might've been tilted few days ago and somehow held until now
     
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    A ghost is a being who is still attached to this Earthly plane upon passing, so they remain here instead of continuing life. Those labeled as 'ghosts' usually have a hard passing, i.e. murder. So it is such a traumatic energy involved they get confused.

    Although, people do have wild imaginations coupled with being low in common sense, so we still the easy opening to call it a ghost. However, we know this already so why keep repeating it?

    I have not had a personal experience with a "ghost". But I have had similar ones with certain entities who specifically were targeting me, so you could say they're ghosts.
     
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    This idea that everything can be explained is false, because we don't know everything about the universe, if we did there would be no reason for scientists whose job it is to come up with explanations. Also saying it is a trick of the mind. When I say a chair moved I mean a chair moves while you are watching it. Last I checked there was no wind inside, and wind strong enough to turn the door knob would certainly be noticed. Also not all of these sightings are isolated incidents, a lot of them are corroborated, and sightings often cluster in the same area. Crazy people can not explain a bunch of people seeing the same thing in the same place. In addition, just because science hasn't proven something, doesn't make it crazy. For hundreds of years, sailors who reported giant squids were thought to be insane, then scientists found one and measured the tentacles. As great and all knowing as some people make science out to be, we still don't know everything.

    Also if you hadn't noticed, I mentioned that houses do make strange noises, and that not all strange noises are ghosts, but not everything strange that happens is just the house settling. All in all, hauntings are breeding grounds for baseless speculations on both sides.

    You can't explain everything away. Ghosts or not, strange things happen, and saying it can't be a ghost is just as irrational as saying it has to be a ghost, since there is no proof that ghosts don't exist, just as there is no proof they do exist. Our only hope is that one day we will be able to properly investigate these "hauntings" (and that someone credible will do so) and come up with a good explanation that follows the facts.


    Everyone who says that ghosts can't exist, I would like you to explain to me why the existence of ghosts is impossible. After all you claim to embrace science, and one of the fundamentals is to keep an open mind.




    For the record, I think ghosts exist because so far there is no proof they can't exist and I like to keep an open mind, however, not everything that happens that is unexplained has to be a ghost, and if at any time someone actually comes up with solid proof that ghosts are impossible, I will reexamine said belief.
     
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    BoP, I've always regarded you a smart person who'd easily link media coverage with fame, money, and an overall boost in standards in the affected area. People just want to better their lives with whatever they can. Alternatively they might have a camera fetish or something. Either way, the people who make such statements are after some very basic and obvious effects - they're not interested in the script they practiced.

    There is no proof of ghosts existing or not existing, but there is scientific proof behind every reason for everything from creaking doors to moving chairs, because they've been studied and simulated. Hence, these things are not caused by ghosts.
     
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    i dont know, i never experienced it myself, nor did i hear or search viable results

    frankly, i know i cant explain it, so i dont really care