Horrible Terrible Irony

On the left, Nazi Germany under Hitler's rule.

On the right, Israel.












Here's the original site, with A LOT more pictures, but there's a content warning. It IS a warzone, so there's a few graphic images.

 

Lets see how all the zionists here respond to this, their little nice democratic genocidal state. Hamas rockets? What a joke.

Solidarity with Palestine.

 

Ouch, was the severed head really necessary? 4 pages, tops is my guess for this thread.

Scary, and ironic really, Nazis do that to Jews and now they do that to others. Some justice, and wouldn't their religion forbid all that stuff and send them to hell?

 

wow...that's ****ed up.
such things should not be going on anymore nowadays. And they should never been going on. In a more 'civilized' time, you think people would stop this kind of thing. This is depressing as hell, and an outrage.

 

@Darktemplar: Yeah, that's why I put that graphic content thing on there. Unfortunately, the way theirs works is that as long as someone's attacking you, you can f^&@ them up to your heart's content, you just can't 'start' the conflict.

@Kurai:Then do something about it. I mean, you can't do something yourself, but write to your senator or something. That's one of the problems with this whole thing. EVERYONE looks at it and thinks to themselves This is horrid, someone should do something, never realizing it's THEM that has to do something. It doesn't matter what you do, if it works or not, but the fact that you DID something to try and put an end to war, THAT'S what really matters.

 

Phoe, i talk to people about it at school. a few times, people walk away and i hear them tell their friends. i -am- doing something. the senators won't listen to just me, so i've been telling other people. one person sending a letter does nothing. dozens of people speaking out against it and going out to change people's minds is a step towards it. I plan to write a letter, though, and explain to people why they should, or at least protest or something. i knew it was bad, but not like this.

 

Know the full story before you even make your decision. People will say Windows Vista sucks, only becuase they heard it from friends, but in reality, its really good.

It is screwed up they are killing civi's, however, Hamas is 'destined' to kill all of israel with rocket fire, so they say. So obviously, Like the US, they fought back to kill hamas.

Only un-cool thing is the civilian death rate which i dont agree with. If you want to help in any form, empower other people about it, write about it, talk about it, dont just talk bullcrap about writing letters to senators.

 

as said, i -do- talk about it. i can;t do too much right now, and people don't like to listen. so it's rather hard right now.

 

I don't fully understand the situation over in Israel, in fact, I know next to nothing about it whatsoever, but I do know more than my fair share about the situation in Germany in World War II. Overall, and, in retrospect, regardless of anyone's knowledge of either, you can't make any sort of a judgement based on these images.

Seriously, I could probably take some matching photos in my own community.

 

did you know that the USA government, supports a group in palestine called Fatah? which of course the US marked as terrorists. During 05 and 06 they gave them battle training and weapons to fight hamas in gaza?

also, its wasn't a war in gaza, it was a ****ing butchering. 12 dead Israel soldiers and over 1000 dead and over 2000 wounded civilians. it was like the jews took revenge at the holocaust.
and, no. I dont hate jews, I dont support anti-Semitism. I just dont think Israel had the right to go in to gaza and kill all those people.

edit, remember they bombed schools, police stations, UN buildings and so on, also they used forbidden weapons.

and hamas didnt kill even the half of the civilians isrealic soldiers did when isreal took the decision to go in to gaza. I mean half the Palestinian government is in jail, because they belong to hamas.

 

Both sides are equal in how "evil" they are. Hamas just gets off easier in the global media because they don't have the resources to blow up extra people. Israel is only being completely inconsiderate of civilian casualties because they have an election in a months time so the war has to end quickly with as much damage caused as possible (The joys of democracy).

I hate how people compare it to the holocaust. How can you compare the killing of more than 4-5 million Jews (plus a few million Slavs + minority groups) across multiple countries to the killing of 5 thousand people. The Nazi's did this purely based on race, not for land, wealth or protection of their national borders. Hamas is launching rockets into Israel and our good friend democracy dictates that the most harsh measures must be used to stop it. Its also incredibly hard to get soldiers to stay composed when there’s 10 armed gunmen aiming for the heads of their friends in a crowd of 200 people.

If you want to make comparisons America is much worse. Attacks kill 3500 of you and you invade 2 countries one of which has no clear cut connection to what happened and inflict between 80 thousand and 500 thousand casualties. Besides America wouldn't do anything about Israel since there are more Jews in America than their actually are in Israel. So you may argue that America was defending itself...well Israel is doing the same thing. If you hate Israel’s military and soldiers you must hate your own. If your not American you should be shouting at your government for their blood as well

The above comparisons are of cause idiotic (Due to many factors, chaos theory, brainwashing of electorate etc) just like the pictures shown however they do make points about society. For example the reason given below

@Tomatsalad
If more of Israel’s soldiers had died in the conflict would that have been ok? Ratios of dead people are not better if they are closer . Israel had the technology from America to kill people in much better ratios than lets say the war between Iran and Iraq. That doesn't mean they're more evil, it just means they're better at killing people.

Continued Rant
If you want to save peoples lives tell your government to reduce funding of the military and give more to medical research. I know they'll be complaints "Oh but maybe 3000 Americans will die violently again" but you should consider that maybe 10 million Americans might not die from cancer or heart disease.

A violent death is equal to that of one brought about through disease. Both are just as preventable. However in our much more peaceful time disease is the greater killer by far so obviously the most effort should be put into it. However sadly as shown through this discussion violence is much more interesting and entertaining for us.... Therefore when your picking a leader the one who will save you, your children your children's children ,friends etc etc doesn't register in your mind at all because the media reported a handful of people died in a spectacular way

Reduce the number, ignore the ratio. And stop comparing Israel’s administration to the Nazis!

 

Light you are so amussing, "democratic genocidal state"? What does being democratic have anything to do with this? Since we are making comparissons to the Nazis I would wager the communist country that made a pact with Hitler shortly before WWII would make a much better comparisson to the Nazis than Isreal. Isreal killed how many peopole 2000? Hitler killed 10 million people, meanwhile communist Russia killed somewhere around 20 million of it's own citzens.

The above is really only to highlight Light's stupidity and to reinforce my next point, while wars may be started because of polotics they really are no indicator of who will do right or wrong. Evils will be commited by both sides. The best possible outcome for a war is whichever path results in the fewest casualties (and I don't just mean the dead and wounded but also the rights of those still living). From what I know atm of the Gaza conflict (which admiteddly isn't a ton) that path would be the destruction of Hamas through the most efficient means possible (and by efficient I mean the fewest lives lost, which would really be Hamas surrendering but considering only Hamas can choose to do that, lets assume thats not going to happen). How that is achieved is for someone else to figure out, but theoretically with Hamas gone there is no reason for Isreal to attack Gaza and the casualties end their.

 

I am just going to laugh at this thread mainly because it beats it's own head over with a hammer:

A lot of these photos are taken out of context especially with Israeli troops holding their weapons at the HI-READY position.

Take this for example:

Why are the supposed prisoners smiling?

Why is this boy smiling showing the sign of peace? Because he is allowed to leave.
http://mwcnews.net/images/stories/MWC/art/3/image019.jpg
Possible combatants, not innocent civilians. The U.S. military detains possible combatants to lessen the threat and the loss of life.

Why are there no pictures from the Israeli side? Have you seen these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVuCrjrUpdM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUFynQlbqIg



What is not understandable is why the outrage is directed against Israel, which is a victim of this "dead baby" strategy, rather than against Hamas, which is its perpetrator. Hamas knew exactly what it was doing when it fired more than 6,000 rockets at Israeli kindergartens, elementary schools and playgrounds from behind its own children. It was playing Russian roulette with the lives of Israeli children in order to provoke a defensive response from Israel.

If you would like to see my points explained further, please take a look at the What the hell is wrong with America thread.

Also that comment about decreasing the military funding especially at this time and place almost amounts to genocide in itself. If you are an American, you should know your preamble to the Constitution:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

In the past seven years there have been no attacks on U.S. soil and no further attacks carried out in France, London, Spain, etc. etc.

 

Sorry for the start of this being off topic but it does all kinda link into it

I do not see why you have to throw a rhetorical paragraph of a document written in totally different times into this arguement but you can quite easily make the next few words bold...promote the general Welfare. The amount of people dying from "terroism" in the world is negligable and in no way could amount to genocide in America. Cutting funding does not mean we disolve the military but it does mean we balance societies aims of longlivety and making sure we're the ones who are good at killing adversaries. Governments love the military because it makes them out as strong against the insideous outside world.

They however seem to ignore more pressing issues such as obesity, heart disease,AIDS etc in their own country. Which is killing hundreds of thousands if not millions, that my good sir is genocide which society for some odd reason allows...Another icky reason for governments is that throwing money at these issues will not make them disappear instantly. Its not an easy way out, however, it will still mean that humanity as a whole will benefit faster.

Indeed making a larger military doesn't make terroists go away as we've seen first hand from various conflicts over the last few decades. America's government failed to stop 9/11 but have improved their stance against the same kind of attack be restricting liberties.

Of course on a less "We're all idiots" tone. I do agree with you on how the Israeli's plight is being ignored by these radicals. Though of course Gaza is being ignored by radicals on the other side...

They're both wrong if you consider attempting to kill people wrong but ultimately it doesn't change much in the world.

 

I'm sorry guys but you can't just compare images and poses that look alike without describing what the pictures actually are of. You can't take an image of a gate to a Nazi concentration camp and then show another gate that looks the same and call start yelling out "omg look they are evil nazis!" without describing what the gate is actually for.

Also again I say I'm not for either side and picking one makes you no better than the two fighting over age old ideals that are meaningless in the end.

Light, I am getting tired of your ignorant and biased opinions and your claims that are you more intelligent and open-minded just because you have a different point of view. In reality it just makes yourself look extremely unintelligent and narrow-minded.

Although, with the stubbornness and narrow thinking of man-kind niether side is correct and they aren't gonna stop anytime soon you can't just change the nature of an entire people that have been going off and on for hundreds if not more years over night.

 

both sides have equally good arguements to be fighting ( Israël figthing for the feeling of safety for their people, Hamas fighting because their holy land was given away as a gift) if you go back to the very beginning, the one to blaim is England, but we wont do that cause that will solve nothing

this situation is very delicate and has no good solutions


no, i wont try to offer one

 

It is a struggle of national liberation. Its not about the group, its this struggle which is important.

What a load of garbage. Total WW2 Holocaust deaths- 15 million, including 6 million Jews, the rest being Roma/Sinti, disabled, trade unionists, anarchists, communists, and Slavs massacred during the Barbarossa offensive. They did NOT do this only for race, but also for land (Lebensraum in den Ost). What is Zionism about? Land for their race! Who is dying here and who being herded into ghetto-like conditions? The Palestinians.

Key word- good friend.

They are not my words- Holocaust survivors and Zionist children of those perished in the Holocaust say the same thing.

Do you know anything about that pact or you just want to give your dumbass opinion?? Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was extremely important for the USSR before the war, from every point of view. It gave the country more time to prepare, more ammunition, land to slow down the Nazis, everything. They have been preparing for the war already from 1936, with 95% of produced steel going to ammunition production. Do you know anything about history or are you a complete idiot?

It's not about now many were killed, you moron! Its about why they were killed.

20 Million??? are you insane? Only a westerner like you with no knowledge of history would believe this. Care to explain why up until the time of the GPW the population continued to rise even if such a ridiculous number of people were killed? Do you have actual archive evidence of the real number?? There was a FAMINE. But of coure, you will somehow put the blame on Stalin for causing natural disasters!

My opinion is biased? I have complete solidarity for the Palestinian people. The enemy is Zionism, just like any imperialism.

 

I am aware of Hitler's "Living space in the east" however the whole basis of the Germans hate of Jews during this time was based on race. The "stab in the back" myth perpetuated by Ludendorff, conservatives and academics of the time after the loss of WW1 (Which was merely an excuse for the ineptitude of their leaders) was one of the reasons Hitler adapted an anti Semitist stance when he was younger. This also developed in the minds of the people through Goebbels propaganda throughout 1920's- 1930's in the election years and into Hitler's chancellorship.

The holocaust (Towards the Jews) would not have occurred if Germany was purely after land and resources for her native peoples. It was the racist stance which she took from the end of WW1 onwards which exploded into this violence. Hitler's original attempts at merely "scaring off" the Jews through the SA's violence, boycotting Jewish stores and taking their property was relatively successful. However the stance then moved to the idea that the Jews were a blight on the world which had to be removed.

Hitler's insistence of having the SS follow the Wehrmacht as it moved into Russia has been said by many historians to have damaged the Germany war effort. There was no sensible reason for massacring the Slavs other than that of hate crimes based on race. A small partisan attack lead to whole towns being slaughtered no one can say that this is based on land or resources. Hitler's madness of doing this stems from a racist point of view against Slavs and the Jewish populations.

I do not deny that Lebensraum was a reason given by Hitler for the holocaust but I am saying that this stems from a racist stance and the feeling that the Germanic peoples were the rightful rulers of these areas. Also death tolls from the holocaust are debated so I would say that a few million Slavs (anywhere between 4 million and 9 million+ plus minority groups (Gypsies, the disabled, homosexuals etc) is a good summary.

Israel is not doing this for the land, they are doing it due to pressure from the electorate and because they are being attacked by rockets. Their reaction was really the only stance they could've taken (Perhaps agreeing to negotiate with Hamas after they offered would have been a better course. But really how do you come to an agreement with a group of people who believe you as a nation should not exist)

In regards to what you said about the molotov ribbentrop pact. Stalin allowed Germanies armies to march half way to Moscow before he acted. This is a vague summary but basically before the attack Stalin told all of his generals to stand down when Germany's forces built up on the border. After the attack a few generals actually attempted to stop the advance against Stalins orders and of course they were later executed for this . Later in the war he then shot the generals who followed his orders and didn't mobilise earlier...

Even more significantly the pact gave Russia the opportunity to invade Finland which led the destruction of a huge amount of its armies (Russia's) and it gave the Nazi's cause for considering the invasion of Russia

 

1036? The pact wasn't even made until 1939, so that would mean the USSR was planning to invade Germany while the pact was in effect. The USSR was not war ready at that time, estimates from her own military leaders said it would take 3 years(1942) for the USSR to be ready to fight a major war.

Preparing for war? That's cuz they were fighting against some of the other countries granted to them by the pact. It took them 7 months to take control if Finland, who had an army of about 200,000, compaired to the USSR's 1,200,000.

Stalin was caught off-guard by Hitler's attack. They knew it was likely that Germany would attack, but they expected it to take about another year before Germany moblized against them.

Yes they were producing war materials, but the USSR also fought against Japan, though I'm not sure if that was before Germany's invasion or not.

Also, over 200k soviet residences joined Germany's army during the war on the eastern front.

 

i didnt know about the USSR fighting against Japan, care to enlighten me?