How can the Terran counter zealots+immortals atm?

Marines will be pwnd.
Tanks will be pwnd.
Marines+tanks will be pwnd.
Cobras? Maybe...

I really think Terran will have to call back the firebats to do this job.
Please don´t answer to my question saying something like: with BCs. I´m talking about land units here.

 

They'll do it with air support
And what does that atm in the title mean?

 

Hum a nuclear launch could be fun ^^" but honestly i was thinking about Vikings in terr mode and reapers... not sure to be honest and pretty soon to say it.

 

Yes. You didn't answer what does that atm in the title mean?

 

ATM= At moment

 

OK Thank you.

 

Np and back to argument i think that about the infos we have now only a massive marines plus reapers maybe can advance air units or mechanics infantry.

 

isn't the answer obvious? neither the zealot or the immortal can attack air

 

Well he asked only foots units... was obvious air vs zealots + immortals = win terrans

 

No force of one is gonna win....I would say that reapers/marines and tanks would do it. But you would need good micro.

 

Unless the Reaper gets its flamethrower attack.... then it's an easy counter.

 

i guess it depends on the amount of marines tanks and zealots, i mean they can hold their own for a good amount of time. I mean upgraded marines with 55hp, stimpacked and having like 24-36 marines is a very dangerous army.

And vikings are very sturdy, 125 hp. and can be massed too, tanks seem to be doing more damage as well so we'll see about that.

We'll see...i still want my firebat.

 

Viking being massed?I thought that was my idea of counter/pushing in the other thread.
Can't players just mass reapers and marines to counter zealots+immortals effectively.

 

hum depends one zealot how many marines or reapers can hold and immortals how many can hold. Probably the same amount of marines and reapers can hold same amount of zealots and immortals but they need upgrade to thir weapon and armour.

 

Ghosts + M&M will counter it.

They are in the same tier as the Zealots+Immortals too.
Ghosts will snipe and pick out the Zealots in battle. Since they deal 150 damage to organic units, that will leave the Zealots with 10 HP. M&M will plow through the injured Zealots and Immortals.

 

ghosts are actually pretty expensive now, according to the latest info, they cost 100min/100gas/2supply

 

Indeed and not real solution to that kind of attack.

 

100/100 for a useful caster isn't unreasonable. But my own answer to this would just be M&Ms + tanks.

In the WWI gameplay demo, zealots were raping marines and immortals pwning tanks, but each was shown separately. In real game situations, how often would you find a Terran keeping those separately for your dining pleasures? I think in actual application, those combinations would hardly equate to a Protoss victory by default. If you look at it differently, tanks can counter zealots and marines will counter immortals after all.

Zealots being melee units will be the ones up front, tanks can pound on them while they approach. By the time zealots have charge, you should have stimpack, medics, and shield upgrade as well. So whatever gets close enough, stimpacked M&Ms should be able to mop up. I believe once most or all zealots are out of the picture, Terran should un-siege all the tanks. Since splash can hurt your own units, and the hardened shield would drop tank fire down to 10 damage a shot, there is no reason to stay with the lower firing rate. If it's just as weak, might as well regain mobility and higher attack speed.

I just don't really see a big problem with zealot+immortal combo personally. Not as much of a threat as the rest of the Protoss stuff anyway.

 

Remy, you made me think....Does the 'hardened' shield proc (Sorry) against regular tank fire? This all hinges on what the threshhold is for the 'hardened' shield to be active.



PS: Whoever was complaining about Ghost cost in this scenario.....Um, we're talking Siege Tanks in large numbers.....You can afford some GHosts at that cost.

 

To my understanding, the immortal's hardened shield reduces all applicable attacks down to just 10 damage. So any normal attack that deals more than 10 damage in one shot would suffer damage reduction. The siege tank's tank mode fire should be the case as well.