Iran

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Iran

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by paragon, Dec 24, 2007.

  1. paragon

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    Iran is a major threat to the peace of Iraq. Discuss.
     
  2. Fenix

    Fenix Moderator

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    .....Peace? In Iraq? What the hell are you smoking?
     
  3. furrer

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    Fenix that was funny
    btw: Iran is a major threat to the hole world imo
     
  4. -LT-

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    Welcome aback, Paragon.
     
  5. ijffdrie

    ijffdrie Lord of Spam

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    my dad predicted the turkish attacking koerd iraq 10 years ago, everyone mocked him, but he was right.


    wait, peace in iraq, what the hell have you been inserting to your bloodstream parrie?
     
  6. i2new@aol.com

    i2new@aol.com New Member

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    Iran sucks and iraq sucks. If i were god i would inlage me self big enough to pice there hole contrey up and throw it into space towards the sun... but i cant so we have to deal wiith those hateful people.
     
  7. Itsmyship

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    i2new@aol.com, everytime I read one of your posts I think slightly less of the people in this world...

    Eh....at least Iraq is a lot less bad (bad usage of grammar?) than it was before, whether that drop in violence keeps we'll find out in the future.

    And just for clarification for future posters, Iranians are not bad people. Most want increased cooperation with the West, most would rather have a better economy than a nuclear weapon, and most are not the fanatic fundamentalists that the media portrays them as.

    *Edit* Welcome back Paragon. I'll return later to specify on my perspective of Iran.
     
  8. i2new@aol.com

    i2new@aol.com New Member

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    i love you Itsmyship :)

    when i refurded to hurling people into space i was aiming that at the zealous religion freaks in the middle east. The same ones who would kill us because we dont see eye 2 eye with them on there choice in religion. I would not hurl an innocent person into the sun. dont worrie i am not that crule.
     
  9. Itsmyship

    Itsmyship New Member

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    Hehe, ok then...but the spelling still kills a bit of the grammatical me inside :p
     
  10. i2new@aol.com

    i2new@aol.com New Member

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    i would hit spell check and all but i'd rather just move on to something else intresting to read and respond too. I'm a lay back person and i could careless what negative things other people will say to (ME). Altho i wont stand to see another person be bombarded in a violent way.
     
  11. paragon

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    peace OF Iraq as in a possibility of peace. Not peace IN Iraq which would imply that there already is peace which clearly is not the case.
     
  12. -LT-

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    Please don't be active again, paragon. I wanna beat your posts number. :p
     
  13. MeisterX

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    While I think Iran has had a hand in arming militants in Iraq, I don't think we can lay even 50% of the blame on them for what can only be described as our failures of planning.

    It's not Iran's fault that we've created a terrorist base in a country that previously controlled terrorism with a strict hand. We also can't blame them for logistically stretching our forces to the breaking point so much that we can't maintain the necessary troop levels to provide security in said region.

    Furthermore, it's not Iran's fault that we decided to invade Iraq while still occupying, at least partially, Afghanistan.

    What is Iran's fault was its persistent pursuit of nuclear technology despite knowing that it would cause international instability due to the byproduct of nuclear capabilities.

    What is Iran's fault is the supression of its people's beliefs and the replacement of it with their own extremist views. While they've made great strides, Iran's president is still an extremist. Despite his attempts to portray himself as a mediator in his country between the needs of his people and those of the clergyman who still cling to power, he is largely a puppet of the Ayatollahs.

    The greatest summation of Iran's problem is to look at our own system of government, and those of other successful nations. We have separated our beliefs from our governance, and for good reason. Often belief involves too much emotion and pride, which then directly affects relations with other countries. This is what Iran is guilty of.

    But let's not label their entire nation terrorists when it is a very slim minority. But because this minority is in power, much like the Baathists in Iraq, we view their people by their government's actions.
     
  14. paragon

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    I'll post the entire paper after I get my grade for the class but heres some of the info from it:

    December 14, 2005, ABC Morning News report - a truck full of counterfeit ballots for the Parliamentary elections was intercepted at the Iranian border (this is the day before the election)

    October 10, 2005, Newsweek article - “US officials believe that Iranian intelligence agents have infiltrated most senior levels of the Iraqi governmentâ€

    April 20, 2006, Christian Science Monitor report - Tehran strengthened alliances with Syria, Iraq, Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and the Mahdi Army of Moqtada al-Sadr. Al-Sadr has also vowed to defend Iran if the need arises

    March 2006, al-Sadr’s death squads suspected of killing up to seventy people in Baghdad per day

    August 2004 - four councilmen of a neighborhood killed by men in al-Sadr's army

    May 2006 - a nurse that is part of the Mahdi army (al-Sadr's) took over a hospital and said the Mahdi army was now in charge

    These events mirror what happened in Lebanon with Iranian backed Hezbollah and in the Palestinian territories with Hezbollah backed Hamas

    July 7, 2006 - US forces capture the commander of a Shiite militia who had been smuggling surface-to-air missiles and spying for Iran

    In Karbala, thousands of Iranian Ministry of Intelligence and Security agents were given Iraqi citizenship.

    An Iraqi newspaper, al-Taji claimed that 1,577 of the 1,972 jihadists arrested over the past year have been Iranians

    August 2005 US forces had stopped a truck coming from Iran to Iraq that had been filled with high-tech explosives

    Iran got away with spreading its Islamist revolution ideas in Lebanon with Hezbollah and now they are using the Mahdi Army in Iraq to do the same thing.
    Iran is responsible for the supply of arms and training to insurgents in Iraq. Iran can keep the insurgency going for as long as they want because they will not be touched. It's similar to how the North Vietnamese were able to base their aircraft in China during the Vietnam war because they knew we would not be able to touch them there.
     
  15. DarkTemplol

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    Meh, the entire Middle East is in a Stage 5 Clusterf**k. I don't know what the hell we can do about it, with every politician undercutting every other. Even if we had good plans to help, no politician wants to admit his opponent is right, so that ruins things.

    Bloody politics.