ive got another confession to make

k

 

Whats wrong with oil/coal companies?

 

k

 

They are companies that are trying to make money by providing the most needed raw materials for sale. How is that all wrong?

 

Spit it out and prepare to get disagreed with.

 

i like the oil and coal companies, why might you ask? Because they power my computer and give me acces to the glorius internet.

 

It's not what they do, it's how they do it. Rapin ghte enviroment != good business practice.

Analogy time!!

Ok, so, there's a doctor, right? He saves people, yaaaaaay. Turns out he does it by stealing organs. From other people.

Good or bad?


@Gforce - Wind. Solar. Hydro. Hell, even nuclear!

 

Of course they use unfair practises but thats far from 'being all wrong'.
"Wind. Solar. Hydro..." has no future. There, fixed.

edit: I know I am a *****... I just wanted to provoke the discussion of why are they wrong not just, they are all wrong.

 

k

 

If your willing to give up a decent portion of your possesions then the enviroment will be saved. Oil is about a quarter of the price of bottled water. If this price was matched then the problem would be solved as consumption would fall dramatically and supply would follow the only downside of this would be a fall in GDP and "living standards" which quite often makes governments lose their power.... so i don't see change occuring under any current system of government until oil supplies dwindle.

Yes oil companies are inheriantly immoral but really any private enterprise is...the question is whether or not you support that.

 

i've got a confession, too. I don't care tbh

 

Now I see why is this in Space Junk and not in the Lounge. Bull**** upon bull**** upon bull****. Oil companies are not responsible for destroying the enviroment, the civilization is. We are all dependant on fossil fuels and oil companies are just trying to take advantage of the market. Its just the growth of supply to match the demand.
Yes they do use shady tactics as anyone with such a great power is temped to and I am all for fighting this but oil companies will always have to be here (well at least until the oil runs out).
Again we are not addicted to oil, we are dependant on oil and until the enviromental twats take their fingers out of their arse and start focusing on realistic alternatives (nuclear power, funding fusion research) instead of masturbating in front of organic foods shop it won't change.

(yes i took advantage of this being in space junk)

 

My brother is actually doing PHD in Enviromental science!

He says electric cars are a waste because mining the resources for the batteries costs more enviromentally than normal car...

Aaaaand nuclear power, funding fusion research is indeed best bet!

Although - incase half of you guys think global warming is fake - It ****ing isnt.

 

That depends Higgs, the oil companies themselves are very greedy, we've never been short on oil in reality they just use circumstances and manufacture a shortage so they can make more money.

Now say that there was a cleaner, cheaper, more efficient energy source to come along, what do you think the oil companies would do? I'm sure it wouldn't be good for their buisness would it? They would probably be against it and try to make it not happen.


Global warming is not fake but the reasons a lot of people say is causing it are.

The sun, our star you know the big hot round thing in the middle of our solar system is recorded to have been going through a cycle of a lot more activity and reactions if you will and is thus heating up not just Earth but our entire solar system, you can look it up a lot of the other planets in our solar system are also getting hotter than normal.

 

Its reasonable to understand that the moment the money shifts into the other favour for the other source that they will skip over happily.

But yeah, its a business, ultimatly even if a reliable source is found they would put lots of emphasis on the continuation of oil sales until the prices reached unsuitable limits. THEN they would move to the other one. Its not like the government is known for direct intervention in their department >.>. Oil may be a business but its a pretty corrupt one. Undeniably.

 

No future?

Wind has crazy potential, in freefloating mills. If you put a fan in the upper atmosphere, winds are commonly 80mph+.

Solar is one of the ONLY power sources that has the potential to be 95+ percent efficient, due to the fact that there's no mechanical tradeoff.

Hydro is prolly the only one that doesn't have a future, but at the same time, it's the most prolific besides fossil fuels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lago_Agrio_oil_field

Isolated incident, sure, but go to any Oil company's page, and there's a section on Enviromental Issues

 

One thing to note, which I think is the big irony of enviromentalists: Earth is not gonna die, she's been here for several billion years and plans to stay alot more. Same goes with nature.
It is known for a fact that certain organisms can survive in the harshest of enviroments (both extreme heat and cold)
So.. no, you're not saving the ''world'' by not using plastic bags, or by not using cars etc. You're saving your own ass. Because if Earth heats up a few degrees, many coastal cities could be submerged. That is humanity's problem, not Earth's.
And so what if a few species go extinct in the process. It's always been like that, ever since time immemorial. Humanity has only speed up the process by maybe a few hundred years, which in ''earth time'' its a blink of an eye. If you can't adapt to the enviroment, you will die. If you can, you will succeed. Sounds harsh, but It works.

So this is why I couldn't care less about the whole ''green'' movement. Simply because, as always, scientific developments accelerates enormously in times of need (i.e war). So by the time the ''oil deadline'' becomes a true menace.. few years later BOOM, we're gonna have new energy sources.
Same goes with the poles. When the sea level rises to the point where coastal cities become seriously affected, THAT'S when they'll do something about it. What matters is not what a single individual does, but what entire countries/companies do. And they're not gonna do anything until the threat is close, for obvious monetary reasons.

So instead of wasting your time trying to save a planet that does not need to be saved, you might wanna do something more productive.. like getting a job.. or playing wow (?)

P.s: Just in case it's not too clear, I'm just generalizing. This post is not intended towards anyone in particular.

 

No, I agree with you maelstorm, Humans have nothing to do with the global warming of the earth. However, we do cause damage to the planet not nearly enough to jeopardize it as a whole no, but damage all the same at least to nature.

Even if we were literally destroying the Earth, buying energy saving bulbs and hybrid cars etc wouldn't fix it.

I also like how a lot of environmentalists still drive cars, use electricity etc. I mean if your mean what you say you should be living like a Indian in a wild because if you don't you still rely on the very things that are "destroying" the earth.

 

Well yes they do sometimes directly affect the enviroment in a very negative way but so did chernobyl. Exe was looking more on the larger picture and especially of CO2 emissions in which incidents like these have negligible effect.

Solar, hydro, wind will surely help out but unless there is a giant leap made in the technology it will ahrdly ever replace the role that fossil fuels have at this moment. Nuclear and as I dream of - fusion power is a realistic and yet enviroment friendly alternative.

That is not true. For few years now there has been scientific consensus that human activity does contribute to global warming. Its hard to imagine otherwise with all the carbon that we dug up form the ground and placed in the atmosphere. However it is disputed to what extent we contribute to the greenhouse effect. Some estimates talk about fraction of a percent.
So yes we do contribute to the warming up but thats pretty much all we know.


I must say I am disappointed that there are so many 'green hippie wannabes' out there who call for the return to the pre-industrial ages and their easy answers to complicated questions. There are so many potential ways how to get clean, relatively cheap and renewable energy if we continue in out pursue of technologic and scientific advancment.

 

Fail statment -.-. I could get you graphs and graphs and articles and studies from my bro about the effects of mankind on the earth, is it going to destroy* the earth? No, ofc not. It will harm society, which you ofc accept.