Obama

Win or fail?

(yes, Im talking about the president)

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fail. he has too high of expectation to live up to. and already he's going back on his words. he was vague and appealed to emotion to get in, he's not a savior, or a prophet, and he's not going to change anything. people need to realize this, already. if they want some real change they have to do it for themselves.

 

Win, he has already taken action to things he said he would do. He started working on day 1. Kurai... he's not going to change anything? He already has...

 

he's not going to change anything MAJOR. sure, he's done some stuff, but i bet you his 'great change' will not come around. it was a lie to get votes. i am fine with obama, but he's not going to be the godly savor of change everyone wanted, TempL. it's this thing called politics, and he played it well.

 

Win.

Don't pay attention to Kurai, she's just a neo-con.



Yeah, he's got HUGE expectations to live up to, but he's actually putting in competent people to do their jobs. Plus he himself, along with his veep, actually have brains, unlike some other political figures I could name.

And he IS changing things. Did you hear about his stimulus pack? His shutting down of the Gitmo? In his four and a half days as president, he's already made more good decisions than Bush.

 

Not anything Major? He's closing Guantanamo Bay's prison, which was created by Bush for the war on terror. One reason is almost everyone who's there has never had a trial to determine if they are guilty or not.

 

i heard about it. but need i remind you, eon, that there wasn't anythign going on anymore down in guantanamo? yes, it was goo for our nation, yes, he's giving them a year to do it, but still. EDIT (yeah, i did think they deserved trials that was something i did not like at all. but are they even gettign a chance for trial? i only heard it was being closed down, and the prisoners would go somewhere else. are they still classified as 'war prisoners' or do they get a tiral, now?)

i think he'll do a fine job, i'm just saying to everythign he said, he's going to fail living up to his expectations. all kudos to him for change, but the thing is, he was so vague, even in his inaguration, that who knows. he's going to make good changes, at least according to what he said about going green and new jobs etc. but so far, i'm not convinced. i'll remain a skeptic for now, give me a few weeks ;3

and Phoe, i can't find anything else about what he proposed for his like, 7 billion dollar plan tor revive the economy. is he still planning on doing that, or?

 

Um. There actually was. Nearly every high level government official has admitted to it now. Burns, waterboarding, sleep deprivation, you name it, it happened. I'm sorry, but I'm of the opinion that being associated with ANY form of torture hurts the nation, not helps it. It literally makes me sick to think about.
As far as the 'criminals' (A good portion actually are not), they'll be given fair trial, and if found to be innocent, compensation. If they're guilty they'll be sent to a NORMAL max-sec prison

He is still planning on it, but it's been amended a few times. It's better than the last few cause instead of giving it to douchebag lobbyists, the American people get it.

 

An important thing to realize about the President is that he doesn't solve problems directly. The President's job is to find people who can, and get them to work together, something that Obama has done an excellent job of doing so far. Obama won't solve our problems overnight. But he WILL find the people who can do in it a couple of years.

Obama is not just another politician. A normal politician would not have picked someone like Rick Warren to deliver the invocation while someone like Joseph Lowery to deliver the benediction.

I watch the bailout and stimulus plans with concern. On the one hand, they are strongly likely to give a portion of that money to the wrong people and will definitely put us even deeper in debt, and I strongly dislike the concept of rushing them, but on the other hand, if we don't do something drastic, the economy could easily collapse. The Dow Jones has already shrunk by half over the last 6 months, liquidity is going down the tubes, and the dominoes are beginning to fall as the failure of one business hurts the next.

 

Everyone is getting a stim pack?!?! Really?? Cool... I wonder what it'll feel like.
And yes, a normal politician would have let someone else write his inaugural speech, but he did it himself and it was a great one. To be able to move America forward, he obviously needs the support of America itself.

 

Phoe, my dad worked down there. granted he didn't go in it a lot, because his job was about communications, not watching prisoners. but he said it was the inmates being rowdy and he never saw anything bad going on there. then again, i suppose it could be right, especially is said people admitted it, and i can't see a reason for them to lie to hurt the nation's image. and if that was the case, how come it went on for so long?

well i know not all of them are. and will they get to go back home? or will they be given said compensation and just sent on their way? It upsets me to that people were imprisoned w/o trials, i thought gatmo shoudl stay, just clean up its act and have the prisoners have trials. but i suppose rumors will circulate until it's shut down so there's really no way around it.


and yes, i hope the money goes to the right people this time =/ i'm worried about that, trickle down economic idea was a fail, obama knows that. so we can only HOPE he gives it to people who will help the economy and invest instead of get their own gains from it. that's the one thing i am most worried about. i don't think mccain would have helped us here, it would have kept declining. but i'm worried, too, because if obama's plan doesn;t work it will make it fall even more because inflation could go up with new money circulating, and those who don't contribute would end up hurting us more.

and TempL, i hope you are not serious about stimpacks....or i will seriously have to punch you.

 

From the LA Times.


There's really no way for the Gitmo to clean up its act, the entire point of its existence is to wrongfully detain and make life hell.

 

****.

what the hell? that is messed up. i don't know why anything wasn't done till now, then. i've read about waterboarding, it's supposed to simmulate drowning, it's torture. maybe if they would have done trials to PROVE they were said terrorists, i wouldn't be as opposed. still opposed, but not as disgusted as i am now. i mean, really... even people such as Cheney shoudl realize there are innocent people in there. idiot.

 

Considering Cheney, that's the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

 

The conservatives lost, therefore win.

As long as Obama surrounds himself with people who know how to run a country in a more effective way than Bush and his administration there will be at least some major changes. If not then we can throw democracy out the window because it has obviously become a pointless system.

lol at Word Works trying to change Obama to Osama xD

 

All Politicians are LIERS

Enough said. You guys can cry about it all you want, when your president, your not their to make friends, your there to do a job that no one can do. For those of you critisizing him already *Kurai*
he hasnt even done anything yet. War makes evil of us all, but war is nessecary, and when you fight, you fight to win, we are one of the only few countries that will ... i say again... WILL treat our prisoners good, not to say our people will, so dont blame a country for people doing stupid things. Thats like saying all black people are thieves and ghetto, all white people are crack addicts, all asian people are smart (its so not true) and etc etc.

Give the damn president a chance, war makes hell, your not in a war to lose, our soldiers are tortured by their soldiers so why not do the same. Its karma, its the real world. Live with it.

 

Win. As in better than most. At the very least i believe he can do a substantially amount to repair foreign relations.

The whole point of Guantanamo Bay is to have a place to commit acts that they would be condemned for if it was on American soil, it's a goddamn loop hole.

 

Ahh god I'm not even going to post arguments because their pointless because no matter what i say you will just argue so ill say this

I hope he fails in his liberal agenda and that's it.

 

I don't see any arguements

 

I'm not making any im stating my view that I hope he fails when i comes to his liberal agenda and I am not going to argue because its pointless.