Me and my friend played a 2v2 and well... i just want to know what we could have done to change the outcome. In the end we lost to mass void rays. I just want to know if void rays are a little hard to kill for terran because void rays can easily out run vikings and marines after the speed upgrade and can easily kill missle turrets in like 2 seconds. i just want to know what we could have done to turn the tide. thanks in advance
Thors do area damage to air, generally with mass air they group nice and close so the splash works well. If they decide to go carriers, battlecruisers destroy carriers via yamato cannon. Also mass marines with stim will work decent on voids. The vrs tend to focus on one target at a time, thus reducing marine firepower by a small, yet increasing, fraction at a time.
mmm with stim vikings/thors/marines take ure pick . if your playing with a protoss partner tell him to mass stalkers, or carriers, or even Vrs.
No, phoenixes. Stalkers die if they commit to mass vr's, i lost a number of 4v4 that way, vr's counter carriers, not the other way around. Phoenixes are good against void rays.
blink stalkers dont die to Vrs, infact id go as far as saying normal stalkers counter them, 4v4 is a bit diffrent from 1v1, with good macro theres no reason stalkers wont beat Vr's and lets just assume Vrs do win, say 10 vrs kill 20 stalkers but lose 6-7 vrs in the process, now lets imagine hopw quick it is to warp in 20 stalkers compared to 10 Vrs ..
You have a point, especially with reinforcements, but on the other hand you can't always react in time when they start tearing down your base and a critical mass of charged up void rays will destroy even a lot of stalkers in no time. Maybe i'm biased, because as i wrote a few times i made a bunch of stalkers and thought i was safe but then got destroyed without help from allies. And i'm platinium in 4v4 after over a hundred games, so my macro should be sufficient compared to enemies. I want to try phoenix heavy build next, it can be fun, had done it to me once (also in 4v4): one guy made a bunch of phoenixes, others made some other air units and they won pretty easily. I am talking about 4v4 beacuse i mainly play this and 1v1 and in 1v1 vr's are extremly rare as far as i can tell so i don't have so much experience with them, maybe stalkers are more effective in 1v1.
Well i watched the repplay and i dont get it why u didnt build thors and bc. In the midle of the game u had like 5000 cristals and 3000 gas. Thats just bad economy. U should never have that much, and if u just pumped out marines and maruders while u had your first battle u would have won. If you are in a battle u shouldnt just concentrate on that battle. Hotkei your baracks and keep pumping marines and maruders, so even if your forces loose u still have more to back them up.
Vikings counter voids. Voids counter thors Marines counter voids Stalkers AND Phoenixs counter voids Had the terrain made vikings.. if only.. Never engage when they are already charged, the key is to intercept them before they get to your base. This is why you need to scout. And why oh why did none of the protoss have observers out? Dear lord...
en mass Voids do not counter thors. Thors in large armies, such as you see in late 4v4, will ruin voids. The splash damage is just so powerful that with lots of thors any air gets stomped. If your enemy is going thors, you need to not have air as toss in those big battles (or have a partner countering the thors while you fight a different set of units).
im sorry to disagree but thors vs VR. thors wil lose. Since VRs are not light, the thors only do 8 damage per missile. Plus you will always have more VRs than thors since they cost more. when fully charged, voidrays can rip through thors in seconds.
You really need to scout before engaging battle with Protoss as Terran, because if they VR rush early, you need to have lots of marines ready, and if they go for Stalkers, you need Marauders + Tanks. Thors do horribly against VRs. In my own experience, if you go massive vikings to counter VRs, you should try to to focus fire with your vikings. Auto attack will make you lose in an even battle. But vikings in general are very weak against any ground units. If they are going for massive VRs in late game, you should to go for massive Battle Cruisers + Ghost, ghost EMP before engaging any Protoss enemy gives you a huge advantage against them. As soon as you realize that your enemy is going for VRs, you should rush them with Marines and Marauders to slow them down.
Heya =) im still new to Sc2 but in your case...hmm.. PP V TP i havent seen the replay but, you or your friend were P's so...i would have built a MOTHERSHIP (i know its 400/400) just for defense against those VR's....so i could cloack my anti air units... and i know that the MOtherShip would get owned in like 3 seconds by the VR's...but in those 3 seconds an army of marines can do a lot of damage with STIMPACK =D thats what i would do... sSoulSs
Its kinda funny but i've tried a sandbox map where i got 180 suply fully upgraded voidrays -vs- 180 suply fully upgraded vikings and guess who won....... the Voidrays!?!?! xD Thats just insane.... in FFA games allmost every protoss wil go Voidrays or Carriers... or maybe Stalkers ^^ its just crazy to think that even vikings get owned by voidrays in massive numbers O.O but if they clump up too much thors should do the work but they still suck vs voidrays i still cant believe it...... if you guys find anything that can beat a 180 suply fully upgraded voidrays then tell me AND DONT SAY CARRIERS XD i believe they own voidrays for some wierd reason ........ nevermind X3 Voidrays own everything in mass numbers!!! xD
