Re: 9/11 conspiracy

You did see two large airplanes hit the towers correct?
You do know that through the capture of the man responsible for planning the operation, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confessed to planning the attacks and that he was responsible for the operation, right?
You do know that we now have evidence that this was being planned since 1999 by al-Qaeda, right?
You do know that al-Qaeda admitted to the attacks right?

Why are you taking a national tragedy and turning it into an attack on an administration that you don't like.
Guess what, I don't like this administration either. The worst thing about it is that Bush actually thinks what he is doing is right. But I'm not grasping at conspiracy theories just to express my disapproval for things this administration has done.

 

"As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, debris hit 7 World Trade Center, causing heavy damage to the south face of the building.[3] The bottom portion of the building's south face was heavily damaged from debris, including: damage to the southwest corner from the 8th to 18th floor, a large vertical gash on the center-bottom extending at least ten floors, and other damage as high as the 18th floor.[3] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure. The sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system. The sprinkler floor level controls had just a single connection to the sprinkler water riser, and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Loss of power to the fire pump or other damage to the structure would have meant no functioning sprinklers. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[20][21]

After the north tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[22] A massive fire burned into the afternoon on the 11th and 12th floors of 7 World Trade Center, the flames visible on the east side of the building.[23][24] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[3] At approximately 2:00 p.m., firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors which was a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[25] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[26] Around 3:30 pm, given that 7 World Trade Center was unstable and would possibly collapse, FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[27][25] At 5:20 p.m. EDT on September 11, 2001, 7 World Trade Center collapsed. The building had been evacuated and there were no casualties associated with the collapse.

In May 2002, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) issued a report on the collapse based on a preliminary investigation conducted jointly with the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers under leadership of Dr. W. Gene Corley, P.E. FEMA made preliminary findings that the collapse was not primarily caused by actual impact damage from the collapse of 1 WTC and 2 WTC but by fires on multiple stories ignited by debris from the other two towers that continued unabated due to lack of water for sprinklers or manual firefighting. Structural elements were exposed to high temperatures for a sufficient period of time to reduce their strength to the point of collapse.[6]"

 

The administration did not blow up the building. They were just too stupid and lacked fthe foresight to stop it.

They hired advisors and failed to listen to them

 

or someone else did it, the plane was just intended to hit one company and destroy one office, or it were communists or ecoterrorists trying to take down the corporate machine

 

There is a fine line between "Set-up" and "let it happen". I think Bush consciently did the latter.

 

*Sighs*

Ah conspiracy theories. There is so much more evidence that what was said to have happened is really what happened. "Loose Change" and the ideas in it, as well as the 'evidence' that 9/11 was an inside job has been debunked numerous times by legit scientists and experts. And why would it be otherwise??? Honestly, there is no way so many people would be involved in such a crazy thing. Real evidence would have turned up.

And Z-Boson - hindsight is 20/20. Even if 9/11 was preventable, Bush did not knowingly let it happen.

I don't really like the Bush administration either, but come on guys.

 

By "let it happen" I didn't mean know that 5000 people were going to be killed (sorry if numbers are wrong) and purposedly did not do anything to stop it. I meant more in the way that he heard rumors about it, yet did not investigate it to the best of his abilities recognizing a tragedy might be a great excuse to start a war.

 

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

DO YOU DENY IT?

 

i watch a movie about this heres the link

http://video.google.com/videopopup?q=http%3A%2F%2Fvp.video.google.com%2Fvideodownload%3Fversion%3D0%26secureurl%3DtwAAAKK4nfpMjHEJu9hJpqgP8RVW25UTjRg37s2X9iXOTjVHZs1Jucq5BEsUl7UpA7lLTDT8u70Jy2DfVioqA0b2gJY7ec_5LluRZixbkXTymWgbN4bFHXIfsylo4X55HYDt5OAG2uGUXVwLXhi3D2_MyaRfEb-AIJUG6phAZvRABYGMvPTIdxv0DpUghj4EbDqDT_DQF-22P3yNL8gh7D96FbN-YgEMrvjC2P8q5o4PnwMKaBErOahvqOvUnB0PnAyw4Q%26sigh%3DkO9ZYipwxmdD0GFEmlQLCVZqIU4%26begin%3D11389%26len%3D6983617%26docid%3D5547481422995115331&docid=5547481422995115331&fscid=fsc_365827611&windowtitle=ZEITGEIST%2C+The+Movie+-+Official+Release+-+Full+Film+-+Google+Video+-+Full+Screen

:-\ sorry that the link is long anyway the first 1/3 of it is about religion the 2/3 i beleive is about the conspiracy theories, and the last part is about the bank system.

i doubt that we will know everything that has happen there.
the only major question i have is why didnt the towers fall onto their sides?
i have a uncle who majored in demolitions and he said that it was very unlikely that both towers would have fallen into themself.

 

They fell straight down because that is the direction gravity pulls.  They point straight up so they fall straight down.  Falling sideways would have required a lateral force or a deflection of a few degrees which would never have been allowed to happen

 

in cities like that there are usually good strong winds at that height, and for the poles within the structure a good number of those were destroyed making the top lean to the weak side, which add with the winds should of make the towers fall to the sides.

 

All of those things have been thoroughly debunked!!! As an example, check this out. Real scientists, expert engineers, and hard evidence, challenging the physical science of what many conspiracies claim: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html.

9/11 conspiracy theory falls into the same category containing holocaust denial and moon-landing denial. The government is not out to get us. And if they were, there is no way that so many people could cover it up, only to be exposed by random people researching on the internet! If the government was really so efficient that it could pull all this crap off while only allowing a few rumors to slip out, don't you think 'prominent' conspiracy theorists would already be dead?

Anyway, I've got better things to do, so I will not be revisiting this thread. I'm sure that nothing I can do will convince anybody who believes in this stuff to change their mind.

 

Bush didn't do this, y'know why? 5,000 REGISTERED VOTERS died there. No voters no president. Conspiracy over, problem solved.

 

Sorry, I'm just having one of those days.

Anyway, why would they do this? It's not like they all got drunk and said "Hey, let's go kill some beetches!" and took out the WTC's. There's no logic in this conspiracy, almost as unlogcial as the Flat Earth Theorists. People all over the world have some sort of conspiracy on their government, do they all turn up false? Of course not. But usually they aren't true. Think about it.


Humans, by nature, keep secrets and spread rumours. I know for a fact that the government is keeping something from us, I highly doubt it's as something as serious as this. The evidence just doesn't add up, everything you have to help in this debate is just coincident's and flaws in the system. No real facts. If you have some sort of evidence that's actually worth my time, I'll jump aboard the gravy train. Until then, I'll have to say this is untrue.

And keep in mind these are OUR people that work for the united states of america and have prolly lived here for more than 5 years.

Just my 68 cents.

 

Why would the owner of the towers not want it covered for terrorist attacks? The WTC was attacked by terrorists in 1993. That they were not destroyed that time means that they were still a target.

 

Read this site and then get back to us, lichking.
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

 

okay what was the answer for this question: why was after 3 weeks after 9 11 one of the terrorists in the place seen

 

For God's sake. Do we really have to cheapen a national tragedy by blaming it on our own government. What the hell could the government possibly get out of murdering 2,740 American citizens?

I detest George Bush and I do believe that he has done more harm to this country than any other American president in recent history; however I refuse to let my hatred of this administration blind me to the truth. All evidence points to Al-Qaeda being responsible for the attacks.

Do not multiply entities beyond necessity. Until I am given undeniable proof that our government was responsible for 9/11, and not just some lame ass articles that are essentially grasping at straws by pointing out "suspicious" coincidences, I'm just going to chalk this whole 9/11 conspiracy right up there with the fake moon landing and the Kennedy assassination as a load of bull.

Don't waste your anger on our government when those terrorists responsible for 9/11 truly deserve it.

 

There are many versions to this, and I have read a lot of them. One says one thing while the other says something completely difference. Based on the amount of facts, and what I chose to believe in, I stick to my consensus that he "let it happen", but I don't exclude the possibility it was set up.

 

Hmmm...could the war on Iraq happen if there was no 9/11..? I'd like to try my hand at this one, if I may.

Let us start with some basic facts people may or may not know:

Iraq admitted during the Clinton administration it had biological weapons

Iraq consistently interfered with all efforts to disarm their biological weapons.

Iraq used chemical/biological weapons in the past (see Halabja, Kurds, Iran, and possibly the Gulf War Syndrome)

Iraq ordered 40 top-of-the-line “aerosol generatorsâ€, capable of dispersing about 800 gallons of bio or chemical agents per hour from the Italians.

"After the first Persian Gulf War, weapons inspectors found 19,000 liters of botulinum toxin, 2,200 liters of aflatoxin and 8,500 liters of anthrax in Iraq’s arsenal. The Iraqis acknowledged filling 25 missiles and 157 bombs with anthrax and botulism toxin. They had 13 SCUDS loaded with botulism toxin, 10 with anthrax spores and two with aflatoxin. They also had 100 bombs loaded with botulism toxin, 50 with anthrax spores and 16 with aflatoxin, plus at least one remote-control MiG-21 with a 500-gallon sprayer."

Iraq had plans to become a nuclear power (Israel destroyed their first reactor, and a SEAL time found a former mobile centrifuge truck in Iraq a few years back, abandoned on the side of a road)

Iraq had made clear it's biological weapons were for sale.

Clinton bombed Iraq during his administration

Saddam violated the 1991 Gulf War truce and all the arms control agreements it embodied, including UN resolutions 687 and 689, and the 15 subsequent UN resolutions designed to enforce them. The last of these, UN Security Council Resolution 1441, was itself a war ultimatum to Saddam giving him “one final opportunity†to disarm – or else. The ultimatum expired on December 7, 2002, and America went to war three months later.

In 1998, Saddam expelled the UN inspectors from Iraq.

In 1993, Iraq attempted to assassinate George Bush senior.

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Why does all the above material matter? Because it clarifies that Iraq and the United States have effectively been in a state of war since the Gulf War. Both Democrats AND Republicans fought Sadam. So, its not a stretch to say invading Iraq to remove Sadam was almost inevitable, Meaning 9/11 had seems to have had almost nothing to do with going to war against Iraq. The invasion would have happened regardless of the twin towers.

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On a side note, America has gone to war for less.


Edit:

I found the southpark episode on this!

http://www.911blogger.com/node/3641