Something important

The link to a interview with one of the scientists from the team;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o&feature=related

Unreacted nano-thermite found in the debris of the twin towers. Its now been proven. Explosives were used in the destruction of the towers. Its shockingly obvious that they were demolished.

The question that remains is; By whom?

A group of 9 scientists, their findings and article; http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

Extract from their article; We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present.

The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.
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In respect to my own opinion - i can only hope that this evidence will be acknowledged and used as a point to launch a investiagation into the attacks. If it was inflicted by those in positions of power to spring board a act of 'globalisation' (so to speak) into Iraq, then by god i hope there is a hell.

 

I honestly have questions about the legitimacy of this claim but if it is true sadly, I wouldn't be too surprised.

 

Me either.

We need more proof though.

Come on renatus, dig up some more links.

 

That's really no news ACTUALLY.
If you watched physicians simulate the plane crash you would already know that a plane can't really make a building go down like that. In the simulation, they showed that the main skeleton, the huge metal bars that hold the building were intact.

Obviously somebody planted explosives that burn through steel or whatever they are made of.

And speaking of which, it has been rumored that the planes weren't real planes - they had no windows, size was different, etc. etc.

AND people say that on that particular day more people were gone from work than usual. Obviously the "important" people. It's obvious somebody knew about this looong before it happned.

To be honest I think it's the american government.

Now, I don't claim to know anything.. but it just seems to me that it is that way.
I'm going Zeitgeist on this one.

Why? I don't know. Maybe a reason to attack another country?

 

Lobster, by this point, all of what you just said, is common knowledge.

It's just the thermite I having trouble with, it is harder to make then other explosives, why go through the trouble?

 

It cuts through steel/metal like a piece of cake. It doesn't make a huge boom. Look at the car in the vid. No boom what so ever. And also, it only makes an impact on a small area.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrCWLpRc1yM

 

Indeed, the discovery of the unreacted thermite was - as the guy said, the last nail in the coffin.

In regards to legitimacy - (Editied main post with anwsers to legitimacy)

(Edited main post in regard to link)

Regardless, yes, lobster, its clearly known by many that they were obviously not bought down by the planes, its just some find it harder to accept the staggering evidence in spite of what their government told them. It is best to approach this in a neutral manner, with rationality, until they come to terms and understand that in respect to reaching a scientifically just and evidence bound conclusion; the one given by the government should be taken with a tonne of salt.

 

Totally forgot to take that into account lobster.

Thanks.

 

Err, I'm not sure how valid of a point this is, but in regard to the thermite...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4sRi5stG10&feature=related

Recognize anything at the start that was seen in Lobsterslegs' video?
As much as I'm for government conspiracies, I don't like how the first 35 seconds of this video looks =/

 

I think it's a possible thing. I've seen many videos on Youtube about the Tsunami and the Twin towers. They sound very convincing. I may be gullible but most facts do point to a certain degree of validity. Also, let's not forget that America is losing it's power; both economically and socially due to the emergence of other super powers eg. China. Therefore, to consolidate their strength, the only option is to frame another country and secure it's resources under the mantle of 'War on Terrorism'.

Earlier last month, i watched a program of pay tv which outlines the sequence events that occurred. Okay we're all aware that america is heavily fortified with Anti air batteries. However, during the event of which the plane is 'hijacked by terrorists', ALL of the American interceptor forces (F 16 Fighter Jets, etc) were conveniently in 'exercise training' and ALL of the American Anti Air missile batteries were OFFLINE. Also, have we ever witnessed any effort that the US took to stop the plane? Also, if this 'Osama' individual hates US so much, where the hell is he now? Let's keep in mind that he only appeared briefly after the bombing and we have not seen him after US secured Afghanistan. The only conclusion i can come to is that he's either collaborating with the former President Bush, or hired by him. May those who were sacrificed live in peace in the afterlife.

 

wow, that actually is a pretty good point of evidence, very interesting. This is one of the few material points of proof for conspiracy theorists(no offense intended), seeing as most other claims come from models, which in a case like this are less reliable(or at least appear to be so to the common man)

 

My thoughts on this issue are simple, if your primary source is youtube you havn't made a good start.

Next, Occam's Razor turns out to be correct most of the time. Finally, a nice simple explanation as to why the towers collasped, http://people.howstuffworks.com/wtc6.htm

I know it's fun to believe the big bad government is out to get you, but come on guys you seriously believe the was more to 9/11 than a couple of planes hitting the WTC?

And Lobster I know don't know about you, but I generally don't trust physicians to give any kind of scientific advice of the non-medical kind because I probably know more about math and physics than they do. Come back with information that has been provided by engineers and physicists, then we may have something to talk about.

 

Thank you, LK. You're like a gleaming bastion of sanity in the dark wilderness of paranoia that is The Lounge.

To sum up the article: it is perfectly plausible, if not certain that the impacts would have taken the towers down. The planes took out a few supports when they hit, knocked out the sprinkler systems, on the affected floors, and lit huge, sustained fires. The metal, being under high stress, didn't even have to melt- it just had to get the slightest bit softer before warping under the weight it was bearing.

 

Yeah, because building 7 fell down exactly the same way because of... Fire? Even tho a plane didnt hit it? It just randomly collapsed?

Unreacted nano-themite has been found, my 'primary' source is not a youtube video, so dont try and spin that as a means to display me a irrational conspiracy nut. The youtube video is a means for displaying the main point of the article in a manner more understandable for the average forum go'er. My 'primary' source is their article (pdf format)

Before you judge or jump to such conclusions i suggest you download and read their entire article, of which is a scientific research journal, so questions of credability really are ill placed here. Nano thermite was found, and you have all done nothing to explain this apart from blasting that their 9 man research team is not credible?

In regards to your occam's razor, when you look at the evidence in favour of the government explanation, and the explanation of demolition (regardless of who's responsible) the demolition is clearly simpler, and has more evidence in its favour.

 

http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf

Actually the simpler explanation is that small fires that started from the collapse of WTC 1 took advantage of the fuel system in WTC 7 and eventually caused a structual failure in part of the support structure on the 5th-7th floors.

Also, assuming that specs of thermite were found in the debris (which is what your claiming) that doesn't mean it played any role in the collapse of the WTC 1, 2, or 7 towers.

 

Raithian says (2:10 PM):
'people are saying its thermite in the ashes yes, but tell me this. It was the twin towers Buildings. what are 2 common building materials? Aluminum and iron. Now plow a jet into said building, set it on fire and then collapse it and I guarantee you find some aluminum and iron dust that's mixed. That's what 'ive always wondered. How can they be sure its actually thermite because they do use both materials in just about all building construction. Now Depending on how much dust they're claiming there is then it could be considered proof because I doubt you're going to get a lot of dust off of smelted metals. But if their saying minute amounts i'd chalk it up to just dust from the metals already in the building.

But yea, thermite is iron oxide and aluminum, or rust and aluminum so no matter how well kept a building is
there will be rust and rust turns to powder/dust, quite easily, hell all you gotta do is rub a finger at it, so collapse a building that's been standing for many years your gonna have rust dust in the rubble, thats a given.
And they'd use aluminum for a lot of the duct work like those slats you see inside subroofing, parts of cubicles, door hinges, stair railings.

And here's the other thing. thermite's compositionis more rust to aluminum, usually 2-1. Sooo, not finding alot of aluminum dust doesn't mean a whole lot. like I said, people jump to conclusions without thinking about such. thermite's made of very common building materials that are going to leave dust when a huge building collapses.

yea usually its not that hard, conspiracy theorists tend to overlook obvious details. could it have been a conspiracy? sure why not I wouldn't put it passed some people...but just because you find somethign doesn't mean you automatically jump to conclusions.

Ive heard tell they put it in suitcases and set it off,but then the thermite would likely melt the suitcase on one side and flow out that way.There is only ONE way to contain thermite And thats with ceramics, either in a ceramic pot or surronding it with a ceramic type brick. Which tends to be consederibly noticeable. So like I said if it was used I dont think it could have done enarly the damage it said because it would have just flowed else where. secondly, do you ever hear of reports of smoke on any other floor other then the place crashed into and above? I know the thermite theories say it was placed in lower levels of the building. Thermite makes a hell of alot of smoke burninghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR6K90cR8Lg '

From my friend who knows everythign about explosions. He may not be a group of scientists, but he has enough common sense to deck out most of the 'the government did it theories. Much love to him for being the common sense.

 

Nice post kurai. I was kinda expecting a response by now, but I guess when delusions get as utterly eviserated as has happened here people don't want to continue a debate.

 

Well I could pretend to be a conspiracy theorist if you want to continue arguing. Otherwise this debate is pretty much finished. The idea that our government is some how conspiring against its own people who it needs to exist is just... stupid.. While I do think the government does some messed up stuff with regards to taxes, lobbyists, and how it conducts its self over seas. I don't think it would go so far as to kill its own people. Now maybe we were lazy in preventing the attacks that much I would think is possible. However the government it self being the ones who destroyed the towers is just not logical. Respected scienctists have countered every arguement conspiracy theorists have come up with.

I dare you to repeat that sentence to the families who had loved ones on the planes when they crashed into the buildings.

 

nah, the point of debating for no reason doesn't appeal to me. also, Kerwyn, I did nothing, it was all Raith ^ ^

 

Um.

You don't make thermite by accident.

It's extremely finely ground metals, so fine that it can kill you by breathing it in. A plane crashing into a tower is not going to create conducive conditions for finely grinding something.

No, I don't think there's a conspiracy or something, I'm just saying.