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  1. BirdofPrey

    BirdofPrey New Member

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    I always wonderd this. 
    If 0/x=0
    x/0 is undefined
    x/x=1


    what is 0/0?
    Does it equal 0, is it undefined or does it equal 1?
     
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    that would be 0 ^_^
     
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    That can't be done. It's like 0+0=0. It makes no sense.
     
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    It's undefined. If you have 26 mangoes you need to give to zero people, you dunno what to do.
     
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    Isn't it 1? ;D

    edit: if you divide any number by itself, it gives 1, that's how I learnt it
     
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    yeah you do, you keep them
     
  7. BirdofPrey

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    Hmm more problems. There are three mathematical laws and each say a different thing. Is there some kind of hierarchy where one law ovverides another?
     
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    XD
    You're tearing about the one thing that doesn't change.

    BoP.....Is this in Base10 or what?
     
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    Yes it is the decimal system
     
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    It does makes sense its like saying nothing+nothing=...NOTHING! ;D
    When there's a 0 in a sum its always gonna be 0

    By the way this topic is interesting
     
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    On a different topic are you aware that 1 is technicly not a prime number?
     
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    Well I'd say the first step should always be to see if denominator = numerator, because that's the simplest to decide. So yeah, I do think the answer is 1.
     
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    0/0 = 0

    Any defined quantity that is greater than 0, when divided by itself equals one. This is because there exists a 1:1 ratio between the division, not because a quantity retrieved afterward is actually 1.

    So you're establishing a ratio between 0 and 0. That ratio is 0. It's tough to explain in concepts of Math and I can't remember the names of the theories that explain it, but its in relation to a parabola and its infinite closeness to 0, but it can never quite reach 0. So the quantity 0 actually lays outside of this equation.

    So technically you could label 0/0 as undefined, but it really is just 0. :D
     
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    Interesting. So the answer is all of the above.
     
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    The answer is a wizard could tell you.
     
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    Lol, now isn't that confusing?

    I think it 0 because 0/any number = 0

    but the question is, 3 rules are conflicting each other: 0/any number = 0, any number divided by itself = 1, and any number divided by 0 = undifined. so which is the correct equation to use?
     
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    My head hurts.
     
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    OK then tell me Fenix. What is the answer? What is 0/0?
     
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    I must say, this is the worst mathematical anomaly I've ever heard of.

    How often do 3 proven laws conflict eachother?
     
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    There isn't actually any "conflict" of rules here. It's just tough to understand the concepts.

    Because any number divided by 0 isn't really "undefined." It's just "non-existant." You're dividing a quantity by a non-quantity. Therefore, the only way to divide that quantity into a non-existent number of categories is to not divide it and make that quantity 0. Only 0 will fit into 0 categories.

    So really there are only two rules that you guys are discussing 0/1 = 0 and 1/1 = 1. Because 0/1 = 1/0, they're the same.

    But since 0 is the quantity being divided by another quantity (1), you cannot divide nothing into one category, it's still nothing. And the same goes for the argument I made above.

    Finally, as I said before 0/0 falls outside of the parabolic formula that could be attached to "division" itself, which means that it could technically be said to be undefined, but that's not true. Why? Because the only value outside of that formula can be 0. So by process of elimination you've "defined' the quantity. :D

    It's a vicious circle.