Is it just me imagening or does Terran have a massive troubles of fending of air attacks? ------------------------------- Agianst Zerg air, Terrans are more of less forced to upgrade Marine shields ASAP and stimpacks as well or else mass mutas simply wins. Thors could possilble fight the Mutas but they are far away in the tech tree and are expensive. I have not seen any Brood Lords yet but Vikings should not have problems handeling them. -------------------------------- In Terran vs Terran, the only way to fight mass BC (suppported by Vikings) is to mass BC your self and use Yamato guns first. Ship to ship battles are funny to watch since BC does 3 damage to each other. Vikings has 0 in armor so fast shooting 550 hp BC crushes them easy even thougth they only deal 6 damage. Countering mass BC with mass Thors does not work either since Thors fires to slow and does not deal enough damage when armor removes almost the enitire attack. However mass Thors might in best case be able to shoot down several supporting Vikings, but on the other hand enemy Terran might also have Thors himself. Shure getting resourches and supply to mass BC + Vikings takes some time so you could theoreticely catch opponnet of guard when he is massing but on certain maps it might be easier said then done. --------------------------------- In Terran vs Protoss Carriers I suppose that mass Vikings are the way to go but I am still little sceptical if the Carriers are supported by Void Rays and a Mothership. BC vs Carriers simply dies with proper micro (like in SC 1), also added by the fact that BC only does 6 in damage vs air each attack, lowered by armor = totally useless! Only way is to have more BC than enemy Carriers and use Yamato gun = unrealistic. --------------------------------- Possible solutions A. Change Vikings damage to 10 + vs 4 vs armor to 10 + 4 vs armor + 4 vs massive B. Change Vikings damage to 10 + vs 4 vs armor to 10 + 2 vs armor + 6 vs massive C. Change Vikings armor from 0 to 1 and change attack to 10 + vs 4 vs armor + 2 vs massive D. Change Thors damage by giving it + 3 bonus vs Massive. E. Slightly decrease Thors cooldown vs air.
How about spamming the raven's missile drone? And using EMP to prevent drones/yamato/shields/etc. When thinking about a matchup you need to consider the whole tech tree, not try and look for similar solutions.
While this site was down I have used google a bit of the subject and it appears that many fan sites (and even Battle.net forums) has multiple threads about Terrans weakness vs air and the most common conclusion is that Ravens Seeker missile is the best try and that Vikings are almost useless. Comparing to SC BW where mass Goliaiths(upgraded) and mass Wraiths knocked down BCs and Carriers pretty easy. In Starcraft 2 BC has been given much more hitpoints while Vikings (as the succesor) has not got increased damage vs other than Mutas especeilly since ugrades only compensates for enemy armor uppgrades as opposed to SC1 where damage inceased more than enemy armor upgrades.Shure BC also does less damage in turn,but they shoot faster. It apperars that Zerg Corruptors can defeat BC pretty easy since BC (small) damaga are greatly reduced by armor as well as that Corrutorss attack only hits armor once. Vikings on the other hand starts with 0 armor and its attack hits armor twice. I even read a thread where someone claimed that 9 Mutas defetead 4 BCs but no info about ugrades where given. EDIT I also read in a Dusitn Browder interview that Terran has lower win percent than the other races
Yeah, Dustin posted that, I find it odd, because me, as Zerg player, I always beat Zerg and Protoss, but I am ALWAYS raped by MM (Marines + Marauders) or MMM (Marines + Marauders + Medivacs) combo from Terrans. I could not find and effective counter for that. I'd love feedback from a good Zerg player.
According to other players, mass mutas are strong vs Terran but I agree that Marines and Marauders are strong vs Zerg and can also be used vs Protoss. I even find Hellions strong vs Zerg since after researching the + 10 extra damage vs light upgrade it does 24 splash damage vs most Zerg units and if ground weapons are upgraded the bonus damage also increases.
A small review of Terran and my theory why they have a lower win percent appart from potential air weaknesses Tier 1: Ok but must wall in ramps Tier 1.5 Strong since Maruaders are great Tier 2 : Ok Tierr 3: Decent but things are getting slowy worse Tier 4: Weak
I have to disagree. Most games don't see Tier 3. If you watch my replays, you can see that. This is Rushcraft, after all.
Your replays do not equal all starcraft 2 replays. That's just you and who you've played. But in saying that your replays (which is super tiny comared to all of the replays on the net) I think is a little representative of all the replays as a whole. In short you can't say all games are rushcraft just by looking at your replays. But from the many many replays I've watched I think it the game is indeed becoming rushcraft. Forget tier 3. QUite a few games I saw did not even make tier 2.
Well, I think I can say a lot about it, since I am in the Beta since day one. Perhaps you've been watching Cooper League, or perhaps some custom game between friends? I am talking about ladder games. From what a I saw, from Bronze up, all games are brutal. I am 3rd place, Bronze league, and all I face are rushes, all games are quick. I do think my replays mirror most games going on. Google for rushcraft or do a search on the SC2 Beta forums for it. You will se what I mean.
I was just saying games you played is not as large a sample size as every SC2 game ever played would be. But I did say I agree with you too. Starcraft does = rushcraft from what I've seen. I did not say otherwise. And yeah I've seen ladder games too. Thanks for the info about googling rushcraft. But I already know about it.
