the animation age ghetto

the animation age ghetto is a term used when it is assumed that drawn or animated material is associated with children. But in some cases this is assumed wrongly (airing Neon Genesis Evangelion/south park during kids hours, giving Punisher Max comics to your 8 year old grandchildren).

A few years ago, there has been a case in America(where else?) where a comic book store employee was sued for selling adult comics in the adult section of his bookstore. The employee was convicted on the account that 'Comics are made for children' and thus these pornographic ones were as well.


*issues discussion*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castillo_v._Texas

 

wtf!? that is wierd...

 

The judge over there shouldn't even be allowed to keep using his/her brain after such epic fail.

Curious what she'd have to say about DragonBall-ish stuff. Or even worse: hentai. (although I honestly can't understand what's so good about it, what's wrong with real people?)

 

I'm sorry for those with an IQ of over 60 that live there, but I have to say it.

Only in America.

Seriously. How can a 1st world country have such pathetically antiquated and absurd people in power?

What's next? someone being payed 700.000 dollars because he got burnt with coffee in McDonalds?

Oh..

 

Welcome to the US Judicial system.

Broken 173 years, 145 days, 15 hours, and counting.

 

...I'm speechless.

 

I have to ask how many people read the whole article? Did all of you just ingore the parts about public opinion being on his side, the fact that his prison sentence was supended (a.k.a. he didn't have to serve it), or the fact the comic store was right across the street from an Elementry school? Granted the guy shouldn't have been convicted, but it's not like the argument against was completely absurd (pretty much every minor felony or misdemeanor gets amplified near a school, and children buying the material was part of the argument against him). Also, granted the U.S. legal system screws up, but this was a relatively minor screw up that was rectified.

Finally, Maelstrom since your condeming the U.S. are you saying the Argentian legal system never screws up? Or ijff Holland?

 

I read the whole article. It's bull**** that it should happen.

Why shouldn't he sell things like that just cause it's near a school. If they are underage they won't be allowed to buy it, so long as they (the employees) keep up on that. There was a tobacco shop across the street from an old high school I went to. Tobacco isn't for kids, neither are hentai mags. Just because it's drawn. That's bull****. High school kids are gonna want to smoke. It's GONNA happen. So by this logic the tobacco shop shouldn't be able to sell things that underage kids can't buy. Just because it's within a certain distance from the school.

 

dark how many many strip joints do you know of that are around elementary schools? What about adult video stores? Or even adult bookstores? Or any store that caontains a decent amount of the previous two? I can't say I know of any situation like that (though I can't say I know any law against it either), but I may be the exception, anyone in the U.S. know of place where you can buy porn (in any form) from an actual store that is in the school zone of an elementary school?

Should the man have been convicted? No. Did he commit a crime? None that I am aware of. Should the store have been selling that material in that location? I don't have a good answer for that, but because of that this case isn't nearly as absurd as some people are making it out to be.

 

Yes I do actually. The elementry school I love across the street from. Like 30 feet from. Is near them, There is a gas station with such things in it a block down the road, and another one across the street and kiddy corner (prolly not appriopraite wording but I can't think of another term for it) from the field that the school is on.

 

I wasn't talking about tobacco or alcohol. So your saying those sell actual pornographic material? Assuming that's true it's surprising to me, but doesn't really change my opinion about the incident, because it doesn't make selling the materail in such a location ok, it just means it happens.

Anyways, you ignored the last two lines of my original post which was the main reason I posted in this thread. This doesn't only happen in the U.S. and to think otherwise is extremely naive.

 

It probably only does happen in the US for the simple reason that most countries are far more open about what we'd call `risque`

 

About the Argentinian and Holland Governments? Those lines?

 

Your kidding right Fenix? Most European countries sure, but most countries is highly doubtful. Yeah dark those lines, and I am assuming you intentionally left out the names?

 

If you're implying that I'm saying that other countries legal programs are perfect, then no. I said no such thing, nor will I ever. It's hard for any human to judge another human. Though it must be done. Law =/= Right oft times.

Intentionally left the names out? Huh?

 

My comment was directed at Mael and ijff, dark. I just got the feeling part of my point was getting lost in our debate.

 

Those are entirely focussed on an adult audience. Comic book stores are most definitely not.

And I actually did read the whole article. It's just absurd that such a mistake can even be made in the first place.
Yes, it got fixed later and the man could just "get away with it". But it's absurd that he got convicted before anybody cared to look if there was a warning regarding adult material.

As for the Dutch system: don't even get me started on how much better it is compared to a jury system. You really don't want to get me start ranting about that. It's not perfect, but it least it isn't biased. And even if it does screw up, at least we won't strap innocent people into the electric chair.

 

i am not condemning the US, i was merely stating that somehow, this nearly always seems to happen over there. In the Netherlands we have had a few cases of silly-sues, but nearly no convictions. I think these kind of things have to do with the fact that a jury decides if someone is guilty or not and not a judge. While the jury is randomly chosen, if you are unlucky, you get a bunch of idiots who will always agree with the consumer. This is not an american problem, but America is merely the country with the largest free economy and a jury system


And the playboy is sold at supermarkets in front of elementary schools. Coffeeshops need to be at least 500 m from any school. Erotic stores do not have that limitation.

 

Kerwyn, I read the whole article. The fact that he didn't have to serve his prison time, and he didn't even have to pay the fine because there was a fundraiser that payed it in full.. that's all great and It shows that SOME people are smart enough (note that in my post I clarified it)
However that doesn't mend the fact that It happened, and continues to happen. Even If the entire public opinion is against the ruling, if all these frivolous and/or ignorant trials keep happening, then It doesn't really matter how much support one side or the party has or not.

The Argentinian judicial system may be flawed, surely, but you will NEVER see something so ludicrous like this.
First of all, in the US a lot of people think you can sue anyone to squeeze them money. The end result is clever lawyers manipulating the law to get what they want, which is a piece of sh1t.
Here where I live in, sueing is reserved for serious matters, and the 'compensation' is secondary.

Not that there aren't controversial trials, but they're most certainly not frivolous nor grounded on silly laws.

Oh.. about that 'distance between' thing.. as far as I'm concerned, we don't have anything like that here. Maybe It's because, for some reason, sex shops, comic books stores and the like are not so mainstream so you rarely see one. Still, for example, I have a video store next to the school I went (you know, the ones that used to rent vhs videos back in the day) . Obviously there are movies that are not suited for minors... still, what's the problem? so long as those movies are properly labelled and the owners don't sell them to minors, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to do so.
I would agree though that they shouldn't be able to 'advertise' the movie because It may reveal pornographic content to innocent bystanders, but that's about it.

 

Ok ijff, Mael I ingoring you two now because I really don't feel like typing out a thesis on this issue. Aurora:

Which is exactly the point. Now I don't know very much about hentai (atleast by comparison to some other members here) but isn't it not exactly uncommon for some of the character to have more child-like, features? Now most people who would buy that stuff are benign, but what about the subset who aren't? Would you be comfortable with them in a store that caters as much to kids as adults, a store that happens to be right across the street from a elementary school?

The argument against the material and the location is way to easy to make which is why I say this case isn't that absurd.

Finally, Aurora what makes you so sure the Dutch legal system is better than the U.S. legal system? While I admit the U.S. system isn't great I find it hard to believe that there is few if any better system.