Theory of a scientific afterlife.

I've been pondering over this for a few weeks now. Lets just say the universe is infinite okay? And that it recycles everything including the bodies of the dead. If that is true wouldn't it also be true that the molecules that make up our very being and consciousness would be reformed in the way they are now eventually? As time goes on wouldn't such a thing occur?

 

In theory (and to certain extend in practise as well) the molecules making up dead body will eventually become part of some other body, yes. However that has nothing to do with afterlife.

 

Well if your molecules were rearranged in the exact way they were in life. Then wouldn't it in essence create the person all over again? Giving life to them once more hence calling it an afterlife. Sure they may not be the same person. Might not even be on the same world, but all the same molecules and brain waves that made that person who he/she was would be returned to a state of living would it not? Couldn't such a thing be called an afterlife?

 

No such thing would be called life. You dont go anywhere, not to any heaven/hell/next dimension. You are simply ressurected/copied.

 

Yes but it would be a life after you die. Hence afterlife.

 

If you want to twist the meaning of the word afterlife then sure. Call it a chair for all I care. What was the point you were trying to make again?

 

technically, in my point of view
consciousness is just like switches in your brain,
if you die, everything turns off
then the molecules used in your brain, in the other guys theory, will be transferred to a new body
but all those switches is still turned off... and....

o crap, i just gave myself a headache... its like the time paradox thread all over again

 

"and brain waves that made that person who he/she was" I assume he inculdes your 'switches' as well. And I dont see any paradoxical about it really.

 

Well I just think its kind of interesting to think about really. I mean how many times have we been remade to what we are now? Do keep the conscious memories have now or do we make completely new ones? The universe is so random yet we can almost guarantee that at some point in time after we die we will be back at this very same place again. Also maybe small bits of our energies remain clumped together and form instincts? Think about it.... we could all be millions of years old and just don't know it...

 

No just no.

Every single moment upon moment is unique, there will never again be exactly the same arangement of particals.

Edit: Everything, EVERYTHING can be reduced to chemical reactions, to interactions between particals and forces. Everything is a sea of dancing energy.

Please learn more about physics and quantum mechanics..

A religioues forum or perhaps a philosophy forum may result in replies more agreeable to your own.

 

Well if the universe is infinite and then time( I know its a human form of measurement.) is also infinite. It would happen eventually, and just as well those chemical reactions WOULD or will eventually find them self's happening again at some point. It may be quadrillion years before it would happen but it would happen eventually.

Also I'm not looking for an agreement I'm striking a conversation on a forum.

I happen to be an athiest btw. I just kind of figured this would be an interesting topic.


Edit: Also if the Universe is in fact a closed one then its not that hard to believe we would be rearranged like we are now.

 

Just a heads up for you guys concerning discussion on these type of topics.

"Topics, threads, discussions relating to religion and politics are highly discouraged in this forum. Even in Spack Junk."

source: http://www.starcraft2forum.org/forums/showthread.php?t=70

Anyway, I know I have said what I think about this in other threads but I believe that there is some kind collective conscious or god out there. Just because on how perfectly everything is designed and proportioned. If things were slightly different then they are things life and many other things in this universe wouldn't be able to exisit and I find it hard to beleive it all happened by random chance since the mathematical probabilites are so extremely low. Thats my view in a nutshell but it gets way more complicated than that.

 

Aight Ill leave Jshep be since its just going in circles and Ste kind of made my point there.
Pancake: In fact, in some cases the probability is infinetly small. Its the same kind of probability as the probability of me randomly picking number -7.58944. I could have picked any number I wanted (in theory) and yet I picked this.
Your assumption is that the life on earth proves/leads to the conclusion that universe must have been tempered with in order to make life. Well there are few philosophical problems with that: a) This set of physical laws may not be the only one to support 'life'. There can be plenty of combinations that will result in life one way or the other. b) In most cases universe would probably be too different to support any kind of life, but the mere fact that it does throws this reasoning out of the picture.
Besides there are couple of hypothesis that deal with this issue. Especially the multiverse, infinite number of universes with every single possible combination of events/characteristics. Hence that would single-handedly solve the issue why the physical constants are what they are.
For now? We dont know yet. Nothing wrong with that. So far weve been able to solve all kind of seemingly mysterious and unsolvable issues (evolution comes as an example).

The conclusion of jumping to god is not sound but I understand that people may see patterns between the universe and some sort of creator. How do they then conclude that christianity/islam/hinduism is the correct religion is beyond me.

 

Trust me I understand all of that higgs but I just can't explain it, its like a I have a feeling that there is some kind of god out there. I know that sounds ridiculous and has no real basis but for some odd reason it feels right to me. We know so little about the universe as it is, anything is possible. Sure we have ideas and theories on how things work but I believe thinking we know things absolutely is the biggest mistake we can make if we ever want to try to understand.

 

"Trust me I understand all of that higgs but I just can't explain it" so you jump to an argument from ignorance?
The mere fact that you cant understand it doesnt make it anymore godlike. 99.9% cant understand a bit of quantum mechanics and yet its a proper science free of all the supernatural.
Humans are tuned to see patterns in things. Most of the time it leads us to something useful but it can also mislead us such as Jesus toast or in this case god. You have no evidence for god, you just dont know how did it all come together in the way it did now so you find an easy escape route through a creator.
Since when did "I just dont know yet." become a taboo? Why do people have to stick their feelings and assumptions into everything they dont know just to make it look more familiar.

 

There is no evidence against god either, since I assure you that 99.9% is still unknown and all I said was my opinion. Why does everything have to be based on scientific evidence? I never said I know whats going on either I just said I think there is probably some type of god out there and it doesn't have to be what is commonly thought of as a "god".

 

"There is no evidence against god either" this is absolutely irrelevant as the burden of proof is upon those with the positive claim.
You have the right to think its god. I am just pointing out that to really believe in its existence is not supported with the evidence enough. Yes majority of things are unknown to us, I repeat, UNKNOWN to us. Hence assuming there is god/whatever_you_want_to_call it is illogical, since you dont know.
Reminds me of UFO conspiracies where every single person seems to forget what the U stands for.

 

Could you tell me why you think it is so illogical? for some force or conscious that could be called god to exist? I'm interested in what you have to say.

 

Because the list of evidence that would lead you to that conclusion is this:

 

And I must say, isnt detouring and locking one thread already enough? Do you have to doom this thread as well given that it had very little to do with religion in the first place? I find it bizarr for someone who keeps asking for mutual respect and asks people to stay away from politics/religion on these forums to detour everything into religion.