Unconditional Love

Love is unconditional, conditional?

Or is it beyond the Human mind for unconditional love to be achieved?

What is this Love?

 

Nope. Why does there have to be a reason?

 

Do you love me?

 

Nope. But again, that's not based on any reason, nor is the love I feel for those who I do love unconditionally. So no, I wouldn't say that there must always be a reason whether you love someone unconditionally or not.

 

Uh that's weird. I'd rather expect Itza to produce a lecture on hormones at work or something...

 

Hahaha, yea. What would an example of unconditional love be?

 

Pfft. Hormones aren't linked to all kinds of love. Perhaps biological love and relationships, but what about the love between a man and his dog? No hormones there.

Jeez, think about what you're saying, Meee!

@ Psi. Maternal, or whatever the opposite of maternal is, love and, as I said, the love between a man and his pet would be the strongest types of love. Relationships too, but that really depends on the people themselves. It can be just as strong, but that isn't always the case.

 

Can you really love a dog? Sure there's attachement and you may like it very much etc, but literally love it?

No.
Whenever I do that, I cancel my post 90+% of the time

 

I love my dog. :<.

 

You guys are throwing the word love around like it is a rag doll. Love is by far the most powerful feeling a person can feel.

This sentence I live by:

You like someone for their perfections, you love them for their flaws.

When you truly love someone, it is unconditionally. That is why it hurts so much when/if they do hurt you, cause you love them.

I am talking strictly love between lovers mind you.

 

love.. whats that?

 

It's when your parents raise you for ~18 years and don't want their money back

 

unconditional love does not exist
it in itself is a parody
because if love was unconditional you wouldnt need to be attracted to someone to love him, or even feel a connection

but i am rembling about linguistic details now
love is conditional because we cant read the others mind, thus we need to find someone that suits us

 

Perhaps not physically love it, as there are laws against that, but yes. I'm surprised to heard someone say you can't. And the love between an owner and his pet truly is unconditional. Perhaps not for all owners and their pets, but there are few universal examples of unconditional love.

@ darkone. Merely discussing it is not throwing it around like a rag doll. Also, there are, what's the word... 'Degrees'? Degrees of love? So just because you love someone, it doesn't mean you love them unconditionally. Nor to you necessarily love the ones you love the most unconditionally. It's the ones you love unconditionally that are the ones you love the most, and will love no matter what they do.

@ jiffy. You're talking as though unconditional love's the same thing as love. It's not. It's unconditional love. Just like how maternal love is the love between a mother and her son or daughter, and it doesn't simply take over the meaning of love. Unconditional love is the love you feel for someone no matter what they do. It doesn't take over the meaning.

 

In my eyes, there are two kinds of love. The first one, being as attracted by looks. The other, just plain love without those crazy feelings, just like love for a pet or a best friend.

 

Actually I’ve seen studies which found that women even though they do consider how good looking someone is, ultimately they prefer a stable partner who can provide for them in the long term . We can therefore determine that whatever love is in our brain it does not just consider looks in a partner (so we can be glad that our conscience self doesn't just supplement in a false desire for someone who is funny or intelligent etc).

In theory you could say that love is unconditional when it reaches a certain point because in the wild relationships which broke up during rough times would very rarely rear children who survive. But then staying together may not have been due to love but merely instinct.

Which leads to the possibility that love itself is merely a concoction of out mind to keep us together and is in no way controlled by ourselves therefore unconditional? Though our conscience self taking over and going against our nature will lead to everything being conditional. But love itself is still unconditional.

Obviously I’m not bringing in personal experience because its too clouded in hindsight or well...love >>

 

love is conditional, no exceptions. I could explain it. but i'll wait for someone to rant on me, and then i'll explain.

 

Just target my post.

 

is it? hate rivals love, i would beg to argue your point. and, love has different meanings, different levels. i tell my friends i love them all the time, because i do, because they are important to me and because they mean a lot to me. they are a part of my life, of who i am, of what makes me what i am today and every day of my life. without them, i would probably not be here, or at least not the same person. i throw the world around a lot because i care about people so easily. but true love for me is hard to explain. i would go more into it, but y'know...anyway. people throw it around because it is such a common feeling, and commonly used to explain a wide range of positive feelings, from caring, to liking, to valuing, and to treasuring. true love should have its own word, because then it might not be so over used.

and let me ask you, who are you to define love? who says they are throwing it around? to everyone, love is a different thing, and i don't think anyone has the right to judge, measure, or place that love into categories of such. sure, there may be different levels, but that is from what i feel, and i cannot speak the same for everyone. everyone feels differently.

would you lvoe someone if they kileld people? if their flaw was destring things, or hurting people, or killing people, or cheating on you, or deceiving people, or stealing from people, or putting opthers down, or treating others badly?

people say they can love someone for having flaws, i.e. little thing sliek self esteem, or looks, or negative outlooks. but look on the grander scale and you shoudl see their are some flaws people can't and don't love over. the magnitude of the flaw changes it. and what people say they 'love' about 'flaws' they actually love little things. to me, they're not really flaws, they are quirks, different things. not flaws as in something definitely wrong with them.

really? I think the song face down by red jumpsuit apparatus reflects it well. It's about this girl who loves a guy who abuses her and mistreats her. and all the time she's in denial about how much she loves him and that he won't do it in the end, and eventually she says i've had enough of this.

It is instinct to flee from something that hurts. that is why there are divorces. A couple that lives behind me, they still loved each other. but it turns out the husband was cheating on her with a few hookers. She loved him so much, i saw her cry all the time. but the truth is, love can only take so much, no matter how much you want it.

and, even if you think any 'true' love could overcome it, consider this. If people are separated from the one they love long enough, or are rejected, even if they love them more than life itself, the feeling dies. how fast depends. but it is true. that is why people who marry and their spouse dies can remarry. because, they say the person would be happy for them, they say the person is not there anymore. they -move on- to other people. that is how life works, and hos it has always work. animals are this way, and humans are no different. But then i suppose you'll say as long as they are there. you cannot say for everyone, though. some people who are married for 50 some years grow tired of one another. love dies down, love diminishes, love does not stay strong forever. there is no such thing as love that stay.s in certain circumstances, it fades. granted, for some people it stay.s however, they are not exceptions,. those are just examples of where it continued and did not reach the point to which it has died down. yes, you may love someone all your life, but that amount will grow or increase upon situations, thus proving love is not the all conquering feeling everyone promotes it to be.

and what makes it stronger than regular love, tell me that.

 

What a sad sad world we live in then. If hate rivals love, can you honestly say that you hate anyone as much as you love the people that you do? Or have ever hated someone to that extent? Is hate really an emotion? I don't think that it is. I think that hate is a blind reasoning. Hate is produced by anger. Anger is the emotion, hate is the blind reasoning to justify extreme anger, not that it is justified, just clarifying.

Good do that, telling people you love that you love them, makes it grow, makes the bond stronger, It's good that you do that. However, you can only love your friends to such a degree. If you love them more, they cease being just your friend, and are something more.

That is when it is being throw around carelessly, it's used as a figure of speech, our English language does that, that doesn't mean that small good feelings are love.

And for true love having it's own word, yes it should. Go make one, and get back to me on that. I seriously want to know.

Who am I to define love you ask. A man in love, that is who. I feel it now more strongly then I ever have. I am sorry to say that, cause at one time I loved you in the same way that I love Maddie now, but Maddie has made me feel it more then I ever thought I could. I cry over her, and she has done nothing wrong, we are on excellent terms with each other. I cry now as I type this even. That is who I am.

If one of your loved ones killed someone, you wouldn't love them in spite of it? You wouldn't love them if they stole something from someone? On the grander scheme of things, to me, these won't make me stop loving someone, I would be very disappointed sure, but I would still love them.

If they cheated on you, your love couldn't get over it? Sure if they did it, said they wouldn't promised they wouldn't again, but kept on doing it, then I can understand the pain would be too much to handle.

Then they are stunted emotionally. If you really love that person, then it takes something very bad for you to stop loving them.

A quirk is still a flaw, no matter how insignificant it is, it is still a flaw, and fits quite nicely in that sentence. You don't have to live by it, but I do.

I haven't heard it, I might take a look later.

But yes, there is a point where you just cannot take it anymore, and saying it, getting to that point hurts in itself, because you love that person.

Of course it is, but we are not animals that blindly follow instincts now are we? If you flee every little time someone you care about hurts you, you will live a lonely life.

That is just sad, I am truly sorry for them. He should have learned to control his urges. How long before she finally said enough? How many times did he have to do it, before she couldn't take it anymore?

No, the feeling dies cause one of the people wasn't entirely truthful to the other about their feelings. Being rejected is one thing, I can understand that, cause it hurts. But just because you can't see the person you love, doesn't mean that you stop loving them, no, you miss them, and when you are reunited, your love has grown on account of the longing you had for that person.

I couldn't do that. If I was with that person for so long, and they died, I couldn't move to someone else, no matter how lonely I felt, because I loved that person so much for so long.

Life shouldn't work that way, it's a shame that it does for most, but I believe that it shouldn't.

You believe that animals can feel the same scale of emotions that we can? Our emotions and intellect is what seperates us from them, not our physical features.

It shouldn't diminish over time. You shouldn't grow tired of someone over time if you love that person.

You have not proved anything to me, nor swayed me in one bit. Love is the conquering force, people just don't know it yet, or they don't want to try.

Because it is a different type of love, you can only love a non lover so much, before they become more then just a friend. With the right person, you can betray the entire planet, if you love that person to that extent. In in that extent, you would be romantically, physically, sexually, spiritually, and mentally in love with them.