US father guilty of prayer death

http://news.uk.msn.com/world/article.aspx?cp-documentid=148950290

*facedesk*

This is embarrasing. But he brings up a good point, all you catholics and what not, why would you put the doctor before god? Because you consciously know that either A. God exists and doesnt give a ****. Or B. He doesnt exist. So you exercise logic and go to the doctors.

Now, he was just following the scripture, does he deserve the charges? To say he does deserve them defies your beliefs as you deny the word of God. To say he doesnt deserve it makes you immoral. HMMM.

 

I was waiting for someone to bring this up.
Things like these happen when the bible is interpreted literally and the theist is a not complete hypocrit. Luckily most people - even the stronger theists - have at least some common sence left and dont allow things like these to happen.

edit: As with every case we dont know all the grinny little details so we can only speculate. Of course he doesnt deserve the same penalty as someone who murders their child on purporse but he deserves punishment nonetheless. Something like not lending mandatory aid with the result of death or whatever the US version is.
Ignorance doesnt take responsibility away from you, specially not as a parent. This is by the way a good example of how your beliefs can always affect your actions and ultimately other people no matter how private you try to make them - although a little extreme example I might add.

 

i think this is to blame on morons rather then religion.


really F---in stupid

 

Ok, I do believe he deserves the charges, the bible is not to be taken litterally. Whether you believe or not, how often did god work first hand with miracles? When it came to healing some one? Very few, there was almost always some sort of agent. If you believe in god, and that god will save your daughter, fine I don't care, but instead realize that instead of god acting directly and healing her, he is choosing to use doctors to do it for him.

They are the embodiment of gods divine healing powers, here on earth, if you so believe in such an entity.

Once again, the bible is never ever to be taken litterally, it has been translated too many times, from versions of languages so old that is it almost impossible to understand them clearly anyway.

On a side note, I am 100% Ætheist.

 

If i heard that from a christian in a real conversation, i would probobly break the floor with my face. Repeatedly.

-Out of frustration that is ;(

 

Oh really? Why is that?

 

of course he deserves it. anyone who relies on their imaginary friend to "heal", no matter how amazing their imaginary powers are, is insane.

 

Ohhhhhhh some people these days...

 

Ok seriously, what is with you guys with your religion threads and such lately? Its like some of you guys are trying to provoke something on this forum. Yes, we know a large portion of this forum thinks God is a great conspiracy throughout history. Now that we got that out of the way...NO ONE CARES!

 

You don't care that an innocent human being died because of the stupidity of others?

Harsh.

 

@Itsmyship: Fortunately many people do care, ignorance is not a good atribute to have. Anyways I for one dont care. I debate on religion but I dont create any of these threads as you can check so dont call me out on it.

 

Religion for the win once more. It would appear that yet another person was a victim of religion. This is sad. Hey guys I know what we can do! We can pray some more and hope she likes heaven!

Yea, that is the answer for everything isn't it guys?

That is untrue. If nobody cared, for one you or anybody else would not be replying to said threads. And rule number 103 on the internet: Anybody who says they don't care are liars because they are saying something and thus care to a certain extent and are most likely lack any other way of saying their disapproval of the topic.

 

Of course people care about the bigger picture. Which is why there is a big debate in the first place. What I'm saying is I don't understand why people have to care so much about that stuff in the first place. It's people who try to make a "difference" by asserting or disproving religion or any other possible division (race, nationalism, pie v. cake debate) that makes problems. Nobody likes a "do gooder".

I believe that people in this world need to understand one thing in life: Extremes are bad. Someone on the far right is just as dumb as someone on the far left. An Ultranationalist is just as dumb as a diehard Communist. A preachy, "chosen", hollier-than-thou fundamnetalist is just as dumb as a preachy, "enlightened", assertive atheist. I would near assure you, that if people in general realized that there is almost never one, basic "truth" and that, in reality, there is a different truth to every perspective, then it would be near certain that we would live in a happier, simpler world.

@ Rojo: I care just as much as someone who is reading an article and not actually experiencing can. Which, no need to lie, is how much everyone else cares, aside from those directly affected by the act.

I love theology. It's a favorite topic of mine. It's a wonderful thing to discuss in an educated manner whether you are for or against. It's just people who care too much about their own opinion and narcissism that ruin and block anything that is possibly good about the topic. That is what I dislike.

 

Read Dawkins books - end of discussen.

"I debate on religion but I dont create any of these threads as you can check so dont call me out on it."

Sounded alot like: he started, he started, I am innocent.

 

Ill rather debate on the topic of religion and politics than on the topic of do europians like warm beer...

 

Especially because its a no!

But what is there actually more to discuss then the general religion contra science?

Edit:

Always nice to get a -rep from a joke.

 

Wanna elaborate how im doing that? Or continue to make implications?

 

I didn't mention you specifically Renatus. It goes back to the statements that I said before that specific line that deal with a general group of people.

 

Oh comeon, i'll justify my beliefs and reasons for my stance of argument on the subject if you just ask. You cant argue theology without one side being challenged on their beliefs. Im all for doing this 'pleasantly' but such a standard doesnt exist if you're going to sit there and offer a counter argument to their idea of existance.

You cant just waltz behind the wall of 'i dont want to offend the other party'. Because that just doesnt work, of course they are going to get offended if you argue that their god doesnt exist, and that they are not going to spend eternity in heaven. Infact, if they didnt care about such implications then it just makes one wonder if they even believe what they preach regardless.

However, we can argue theology in a calm, non infuriating* manner, which i think is something we have achieved in the past few threads - so im not sure where you are getting this whole argument that our community is arguing with 'narcissism that ruin and block anything that is possibly good about the topic. That is what I dislike.'

I know my threads in the past have been laced with underlying anger at people who dont understand various concepts, but i keep it all bottled up now so np!

 

Do you care to expand on that? What would I have to do to qualify into you despised category of people?