A question to all non-Christians

Well I can't agree to that, I was in reference to humans regardless of your initial statement.

If the forbidden fruit was never consumed then sin would not exist as in it would be impossible to sin because nobody could if they wanted to.

Well to say animals don't believe in religion then the domain of what animals your referring to has to exclude humans for his statement to be true, which does nothing to further his argument.

The bible was written by the prophets and later the disciples of Jesus, and the original writings of the bible were found a while ago. They are called the Dead Sea Scrolls if you were wondering. Anyway you've already admitted that the bible has some historical truth to it so you can't say that it is made up fiction. I know you didn't make the original point I just thought I'd remind you.

I didn't imagine the bible, I didn't imagine Jesus, I didn't imagine the church and neither did Peter and the other 10 disciples of Jesus. My imagination doesn't affect my life that much at all, my beliefs on the other hand do it quite a lot.

 

But maybe opium helped them imagine miracles..

 

Opium wasn't used in 15 A.D.

 

I am pretty sure they had opium in B.C. Egyptians used to smoke alot of it.

 

It was created in 3400 B.C.

 

It wasn't used in Rome. Not by Jesus and his followers. And opium has nothing to do with any of this anyway.

 

Wrong infact it was very popular in rome.

 

You might think they are not imaginary, yet their whole foundation is based on imagination. Same with churches, etc.

 

Prove it, GM_K I would like you to prove that Religion is imaginary and that the church is imaginary. If you could give some evidence behind your statement maybe you could have a point but right now you are just throwing stuff out there. So please show me some proof or at least some Logical reasoning.

 

can u prove that it isn't imaginary?

 

I already have as I stated before.

 

I dont believe you.

Exactly. Get your bits of relics here and showcase your ''proof''. All I see is made-up stories. My point proves itself because you can't prove yours.

 

You never proved that God existed. I want you to prove to me that nothing in the bible is imagined or fake. Show me god. Tell me where It is i may see his magic or himself. Show me proof of jesus and his miracles. Show me proof of Moses and the burning bush. Show me proof of the great flood.

 

@Black
My proof comes from the bible and teachings of the church if you don't buy it thats your own deal. And besides I am not arguing the proof that God exits because I can't give you the kind of proof you want for that.

GM_K is arguing that Religion is imaginary which is why I am arguing that it is not imaginary. Those are two completely different things.

Proving that my religion is right is not what I'm trying to do, I am proving that my Religion exists.

@GM_K
Hmm hold on lets look at that.

Your point proves itself because I can't prove mine.

Ok cool, but you can't give any proof for your argument so..

Wait a minuet, doesn't that mean that my point proves itself because you can't prove yours?

So if your point proves itself becaus I can't prove mine, and my point proves itself because you can't prove yours....... don't we get a wee bit of a contradiction here?

Your trying to prove Religion is imaginary yet you can't even give any proof period,

I am of course trying to prove the contrary and I have given my proof to you, you just don't believe it, which is your right and privilege to take my words how you like but you can't just say "I win because you can't" when you have in no way even shown anything that makes your statement true.

So either give me some proof for your argument or stop making blank statements that have nothing to them.

 

Of course we are on a double salto of contradiction...

But anyway...If you are trying to convince me of something that you cant prove, I am left neutral because you're the one who needs proof.

Btw...this is going nowhere.

 

Oh I would never try to convince anyone of anything, I don't preach I just defend my faith so you take anything I say how you want to.

I know thats generally what happens when you get into a discussion about Religion haha.

Its still fun though.

 

We really need a highly specified topic.

Btw, I dont mean any offence with any of my post...To make religious discussion work in this forum we need to judge any opinions in a third-person-view.

 

Yes we do,

Oh no I understand and I mean the same. Discussing Religion is tricky to do without offending someone.

 

Well I mean someone can look at a religions today that are made for pure scams(fake religions made by retards to make money.) and prove that alot of religions are infact imagined.

 

Sure why not but that doesn't make all religions fake it doesn't really matter anyways as that is kinda off topic.