A question to all non-Christians

yeah and there wouldn't be need for them since religion forbids stealing, killing etc

forgiving doesn't neccessarily mean we shouldn't restrain people who are dangerous. In fact Christian religion allows even death sentence if it is absolutely only means of preventing someone from killing others. Technically, since with current advancement of civilization there's always other way, so it would never be used.

Anyway I give up, I don't have knowledge, skills nor devotion do defend anymore religion I don't even believe in.

 

With every passing day I seem to hate religion more and more

 

They would still be needed because not all people are Christian, so there would still be some thieves, murderers, etc.
If the thief or murderer who is in court says that they have changed their ways (regardless of whether they've told the truth or not), why wouldn't a devote Christian judge forgive him?
I'm with GM_k, but it's not that I hate religion, rather than I find religious people more and more ignorant.

 

Lets take a step back here and examine this. Now Itza according to you Christians believe creation happened in 6 days, that is only partially true. The story of creation in the bible is as I said earlier not meant to be a literal translation, six days is just a representation of creation in a way that those who lived 2 or 3 thousand years ago could understand it. So as far as your idea of 4.5billion years it still holds true because nobody ever said that Christians believe everything was just created in six days, that is just the teaching that was handed down by some prophet or another, I forget his name at the moment.

Here's a way to explain how the six days of creation still hold true. Now I am going to ask you first to please have an open mind when you read this don't immediately conclude that what I am about to say is illogical, have the decency to listen and attempt understanding before you shoot this down.

Now according to Christian belief God is all-powerful all knowing and all Love. Now if you can believe that just for this for this explanation then to have century's pass before God in a blink of his eye is not only possible but logical. For God also according to the faith exists in everything and since God created everything he then created time, so he can pretty much do whatever he wants with it.

Ok and just for you here's some cold hard logic.

If you believe in God and he doesn't exist nothing happens to you, if you believe in God and he does exit all the better for you.

If you don't believe in God and he doesn't exist your still fine, but if you don't believe in God and he does exist you screwed.

So logically it would be better to believe and be wrong then to not believe and be wrong.
At least that's how I would look at it if I wasn't a believer myself.

And btw I am wondering what you find ignorant in people believing in a faith.

 

Do YOU always do what you are told regardless of circumstances?

Thinking that someone's religion enforces perfect conformity to the rules makes you more ignorant than than the people you say you hate.

This whole well why don't Christians forgive everyone since its in the bible is EXACTLY the same as why do people steal when its against the law. You are currently fitting the profile of an Atheist who for some reason or another makes excuses to attack religion and one of the ways they do it is holding religious people to be more perfect than non-religious people and then attacking them when they can't live up to this inflated expectation.
_________________________________________________ Another think that really pisses me off is this idea that religion and science are two totally different things. They are not. They are BOTH ways of understanding the world and anyone who says they are mutually exclusive is an idiot

Its simple religion answers what happened and why did it happen. Science answers how it took place and sometimes when. For example Religion says, "God made people" someone overly religious would say that he wanted people so they just appeared. Well it is best to turn to science and find out how it happened. Science says cells spontaneously created themselves and then a series of mutations eventually created people.

If you combine the two it becomes more complete. God wanted people so he made life and then directed evolution to a point where he was satisfied. One of the biggest holes in the theory of Evolution is how mutations could from new species when most mutations are harmful and religion fills in by adding someone who can direct these mutations and cause beneficial ones to happen. In turn science gives religion an explanation of how it works.

You have to remember the Bible was written several millennia ago. They didn't know about evolution so they had to be told in a way that they would understand by cutting out the science bit so it became "God wanted people so he made people" and leaves out the how.
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One thing that I want to know is why people are overly critical of religion but never question science. SCIENCE told us the earth was flat an that were were the center of the universe. Yes you should question religion but you should also question science and everything you are told and you should always challenge ideas, opinions and even these quaint things called facts because the moment you stop questioning things is the moment you stop learning and civilization stagnates

 

Ok Itza leave the Christians alone, the way they are they are their own worst enemies.

With all the different beliefs from the same basic religion it is hard to believe anything any of them say (about their religion).

I am atheist btw.

 

"the way they are they are their own worst enemies"
that one actually comes from being humans

 

Wrong. It was actually the clergy who propagandised this, as it says in the Bible the earth is in the center of the universe, and was on the whole against new development. The scientists who said otherwise were persecuted, just think of Copernicus and Galileo.

All religion is the same. Just think how different are the old Greek and Roman gods, when people worshipped them, or better, some idols, sticks and stones, than todays religions. They were sure their gods were real.

I'm not listening to these stories, and I'm not wasting my time on capitalists who only care about money and power.

I don't completely doubt the existence of higher being, ''God'', that's very much possible, but I know better rather than to trust enemies of humanity.

So, lets say I'm wrong. Am I afraid? No. My religion is common sense and humanity. Even if nothing of me will be left in the afterlife, I know I left enough good behind in the past life. And I know this thinking will probably get me to heaven faster than being fanatical over my faith.

Nothing gives someone more powerful the right to tell others how to live.

 

Are you so blind in attacking religion that you forgot about the fact that the Earth was said to be round BEFORE the Catholic church

Ever heard about Ptolemy He was a SCIENTIST that said the earth was the center of the universe. All the church did was say that his system was the official system of belief.

The Catholic Church's idiocy aside it was science who determined these things. Frankly you are being a hypocrite. You say people are fools for holding on to religion yet when someone points out the fallacies if science you defend it with religious zeal. If you are unable to admit mistakes have been made then you will never fix those mistakes.

Yes I realize the Catholic Church did horrible things for this world because it was controlled by people who wanted total control. but my point is that believing unquestioningly in whatever a scientist tells you is just as stupid as believing unquestioningly in what a priest tells you. Don't take my attempt at making a point into another attack at religion.

If you hate religion that's your problem but don't let it turn you into a close minded person because close minded people turn into ignorant people and ignorant people are a threat to progress

 

If anything, not being a religious opens my mind to other possibilities; yet NOT so that I trust everything to 100%. Science has its mistakes, but religion has far greater ones. I never said that I trust science no matter what.

I'd say it does not only goes about the shape of the earth, but about ANYTHING that the Bible/church claim to be true. Unlike science, they can never embrace change or anything closely different from the text of the Bible.

 

To me, religion is just a big lie. "God bless America" okay... why not god bless japan? or god bless antarctica. Speaking of this, answer: Who created god? Dont tell me he created himself because that can't be possible unless he was already in existance which can't be because he would have to be created first. Another Question: Has god been a good god? If he's all loving, he would just kill all the suicide bombers before they suicieded. What kind of a person lets people kill each other huh? God doesn't do anything about global warming... wow....

 

Most religions have a creationist theorey.

I personally believe that the Xel`naga flew to earth in their spaceship and began breeding genetic ancestors of human beings, knowing fully well what we would fully evolve into. 8)

 

i m not sure,but i thougth Buddha said that there is no beginning or something like thta.

 

@ Darkremplar_L

edit: I am not going to change what I said but I would just like to say I don't mean to offend anybody I just got riled up a bit.

"God bless America" you do realize that this is something the country says and not the religion right? The political parties in America constantly refer to God because America is nearly 80% Christian so in order to get office they make sure to state they are religious otherwise they wouldn't be elected. That has nothing to do with the faith itself though, Christians don't go around saying "God Bless America" because its the only country that should be blessed, in fact I rarely ever hear that and I live here.

Secondly open your mind to the possibilities or at least listen to the logic of it. First there was God who is all powerful, an all powerful being as from being all powerful would have the ability to create everything ex nihilo (from nothing). If you would open your mind to the possibilities then perhaps the least you could do is not attack Christians. You don't have to believe anything I say but you could at the very least not disregard it. That in itself just breads ignorance.

Deo nihil impossibile

And how dare you Judge God, you want to know the reason why God just doesn't strike down suicide bombers? Its because he so Loves us that he is unwilling to kill his people, even if, or I should say, especially if they don't believe in him. "God doesn't do anything about Global Warming" Why should he fix every problem we create, we as humans polluted his land why should he have to lift his finger and fix every one of our problems. Do you want him to come down and take away all our suffering? You want him to fix everything in your life so you can be without worry or care? How are we as humans supposed to learn and take care of ourselves if God does it for us? I am sorry but if you are going to disregard and even hate God maybe you should do some sort of research or maybe ask questions as to why God does what he does. Don't voice an opinion ignorantly.

A quote to dwell on

"It is better to not speak and let them think you are a fool then to speak and remove all doubt."


Deo nihil impossibile, nisi quae non vult

 

While there is nothing wrong with religion, faith, beliefs, etc., I personally can't stand this argument:

The reason they call it faith is because nobody knows for sure right? So how do you know which God to believe in? If you believe in the wrong God you are still screwed right? There are so many religions/beliefs out there that it's not black and white. What if I believed that a giant pillow created the world, and if you don't believe in the giant pillow you became a feather forever? One could potentially use the same reasoning as above to say that logically everybody should believe in a giant pillow that created everything. This is why the logic is bad.

I am personally of the opinion that as long as you are a good person and lead a good life, it doesn't matter whether or not you believe in God. If God doesn't exist, nothing happens, and if God does exist he/she should be thrilled that you were a good person. If a God exists that would penalize me for not believing even though I was a great person, that God doesn't deserve anybody's praise. Especially since I have not seen anything that would lead me to believe.

 

IMHO,back to first question,why we exists in the first place.
i dunno but maybe he should use his power to automatically make us learn and take care of ourselves well if he exists.

 

I don't not belive, but I don't really believe in god im kinda in the middle

But.. If god did exsist, and considering that christians believe god created man in his own image, but if thats true and god is "perfect" then people should not fight and kill other people constantly and over petty things like who's religion is right and whose is wrong

 

Sorry ninerman13 I guess I did not explain the purpose of that argument because personally I hate it to, and I really have no use for it other than to use it against people who will not accept anything but cold logic.

And by the way that is actually a very old theological argument dating back to the upbringing of the Roman empire.

Though in retrospect I should say that the final clause should be changed for it to be a complete argument.

If you don't believe in God and you deny the teachings of church then you are worse off.

To explain: It is Catholic belief that there is only one sure way to go to hell, and that is if you learn about the teachings of his church and then disregard it. So if you were never taught the ways of his church even if you don't believe in God you would be fine.
That's just Catholicism though and that is also a short version, if you want the complete teaching you'll have to look it up in the Catechism.

For those who don't know that is a book of the specifics of the teachings in the Catholic church.

And please if you bother to read this do so with an open mind I can not say this enough I rather you ask me so I can explain then to throw hate at me.

@Zacron

According to the faith we exist because God was so full of Love that he wanted some tangible way to share it, so he created us so that he could Love us.

And again God has already done so much so why should he pamper us any more than he already has?

@Dinoxe

We were created in his likeness and image, not in his perfection. That is what we should strive to obtain in our life.
But since God is the only perfect being we will always fall short of his perfection so all we can do is to strive to be like him

 

Well then wouldn't god want us to be able to obtain perfection?

 

Well I suppose you would obtain perfection in the end when you join him in heaven.