Assisted Suicide

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Fenix, Jul 23, 2009.

Assisted Suicide

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Fenix, Jul 23, 2009.

  1. Jshep89

    Jshep89 New Member

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    I am waiting on pizza at the moment and have nothing else to really do.
     
  2. darkone

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    We're starting to go off-topic.
     
  3. Jshep89

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    Agreed...

    Suicide should only be legal for the terminally ill.
     
  4. ijffdrie

    ijffdrie Lord of Spam

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    This reminds me of the "good" ol' days in Britain


    guess what the punishment was for attempted suicide?
    it waz death penalty
     
  5. Gforce

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    seems reasonable to me, you get what you want in the end.
     
  6. KuraiKozo

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    Against abortion. For euthanasia and death penalty.

    My take on it as the same as many of you. the person is in pain, an incurable illness. they have the choice to live or die. they are just going to suffer anyway. and when i asked someone against it they said 'through suffering we become closer to God' and i'm like WTF. using religion to try and justify something like that? I mean, you could at least say 'it's not morally ethical' or something. But anyway, i'm all for it.

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    Yes, death doesn't just affect you. this topic is a deep one for me , too. because i tried it twice and thought of it a couple more times. But in the end, it's not right. sometimes people are going through ****, and it shouldn't be legal based on those moments alone. Same with people who are dealing with mental/emotional/physical trauma. If the person is suffering and can't be saved, and has tried, why go on? If i was dying, and in horrible pain, and no treatment was working and i was bedridden, then i'd beg for it. As i see it, if i can still walk, i can still keep doing things. But once you're terminally ill and bedridden, then what? What can you do? Write, read, i guess. but what about when you're in so much pain that breathing hurts? You're just there, basically taking up space, as insensitive as that comes out.

    At the same time, i must admit i'm selfish. if someone i loved was alive and bedridden, terminal illness, pain, what could i do? I'd beg them not to make me do it, i'd be in tears. I always do my best to talk people out of death or stupid things. It's like what was said before; doctors are trained to heal, not kill. I want to be a paramedic, and help keep people alive. the thought of letting them,. or even making a choice to kill them appalls me. And it being someone close to me? Man, i couldn't do it.

    A professional should also do it, as i agree above. so that way you can confirm is was voluntary and accepted, and the patient is put to rest ethically and soundly. Not something like his friend granted him mercy by putting a bullet through his head or something. If agreed by them and their family, then only a doctor should be able to do it. because i'm sure anyone else can see that this would turn into a huge thing if people started claiming people they killed wanted it and it was euthanasia.
     
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    Pro abortion, against death penalty and pro-euthanasia if people want to drag abortion and death penalty into this.
    Why? I think its time to move on out of the middle ages.
     
  8. darkone

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    We have had threads on those other two discussions, do not, I repeat do not bring that up in here.
     
  9. Gforce

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    yeah those kinda got out of hand after the first page.
     
  10. Higgs Boson

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    Its a shame that people cant handle any debate past 'cough medicine'.
     
  11. Gforce

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    its just difference of opinion, and retards, that make things go down fast.
     
  12. darkone

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    You have some sort of problem with me?
     
  13. Higgs Boson

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    No I just needed some good example.
     
  14. Jshep89

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    Also what about people who are in a vegetative state? Do family members have the right to pro euthanasia when no written evidence shows the person wants it?

    Off-topic.
    This forum could use a flame section... I mean yeah we have space junk but I think a flame section inside the space junk section would be cool.
     
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    I've got it in my will to have the plug pulled if I'm irreparably brain damaged. Why? Because in my opinion, that person is no longer alive. The body is organically in a state akin to life, but even though the cells live, the mind does not.

    Also, no. Just no. I can't believe you'd even suggest a flame section.
     
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    I have it in mine to make sure they try every possible alternative and then wait at least three years. If I don't recover then they can proceed with euthanasia. There has been several cases where a patient in a vegetative state has been able to come out of it.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2006/sep/12/health.healthandwellbeing is an example.



    Also whats wrong with a flame section?
     
  17. Fenix

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    What's wrong is it's like having a city block where you can shoot people without retribution.
     
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    Should assisted suicide be allowed for individuals who become crippled from the waste down? I mean should they be allowed to kill them self's regardless that they could still live a successful life?


    Off Topic: I loved GTA!
     
  19. ijffdrie

    ijffdrie Lord of Spam

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    Their life

    if they are gonna jump(crawl to the top with only their hands and then use their hands to go over the edge) off a high building, who am i to stop them.
     
  20. Higgs Boson

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    I think its fine to try and stop them. At least talk to them, try to get to know what their troubles are. Euthanasia has nothing to do with people jumping off a bridge.
    Jshep: Fully vegetative state and being crippled are two very different things and you cant use them as an analogue of one and the other. As for the vegetative state, hm. Well of course if the person is able to inform someone that he wants it (via the will for example) then yes. People sometimes do come back although statistically its not very high percentage. I think it depends on the actual circumstances its too hard for me to give a definite verdict.