Awkward/Deep questions

Discussion in 'Space Junk' started by Fenix, Apr 13, 2009.

Awkward/Deep questions

Discussion in 'Space Junk' started by Fenix, Apr 13, 2009.

  1. kuvasz

    kuvasz Corrections Officer

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    Oh no you wouldn't.
     
  2. Aurora

    Aurora The Defiant

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    Rofl.
    Just wait for Fenix to return. He promised some sort of daily updates. :)
     
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    ijffdrie Lord of Spam

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    maybe not perma'd, but at least a week
     
  4. Fenix

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    BOOM DAY TWO



    Is assisted suicide ethical? *This is considering a terminal illness (Cancer, AIDS, etc), not depression-inspired suicide*
     
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    Yes.
     
  6. LoVeRBoy[E]

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    It's legal in Oregon, USA
     
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    If the patient does request it, I'd say it is fine. Who is to have more say in a person's life (or death) than the person themselves? If you wouldn't put that person to death against their will, why would you keep them alive against it? That's my view on the matter. Individual control over one's fate is important in a free society.

    I have less definite feelings about cases where the patient is soon to die but is incapable physically of requesting either to be kept alive or killed. This is why I'd recommend everyone have a living will. It gets to be the final word in such matters, at least in theory.
     
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    Exactly what Sodium said. If you love someone even a little bit you will understand their choices and help them achieve them. In this case it's either letting that person suffer (mentally and/or physically) or putting an end to it.
     
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  11. bralbers

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    There is a slight problem though with assisted suicide. I know that here in America, every doctor takes an oath to save lives and not take them. That's also why in North Carolina, USA we have people who have been sitting on death row for years, because law states that only a doctor can administer the sentence, and doctors have pledged to save not kill so they can't unless they want to go against the doctors oath. So now we are at the delema of whether helping someone commit suicide is like the doctor killing them. Assuming we are talking about a doctor assisting and no just some regular Joe.
     
  12. Fenix

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    TIME'S UP

    What is consciousness?
     
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    That is an excellent question! Sometimes one must wonder, how do we know we are conscious right now. Like..um...you reading this right now,how do you know that right now you aren't actually unconscious and this isn't the real world? Maybe right now you are sleeping and when you go to 'sleep' tonight, then you are actually waking up in the real world. What proof can we over to prove that we are not dreaming currently. And I've typed all that to give myself time to think. Consciousness is being alert to your surroundings, we know we are conscious through the feelings we get. While conscious we can experience many feelings. Plus we have a knowledge of the flow of time. When you are what we call unconscious, there is not concept of the flow of time. But when we are awake we can tell there is a flow to time.
     
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    No....That's being conscious.

    I mean like consciousness...Blarg.
     
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    Aren't they the same thing?
     
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    No.

    Conscious is being awake.

    Consciousness is what differentiates us from lower animals.
     
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    con⋅scious⋅ness
    1. the state of being conscious; awareness of one's own existence, sensations, thoughts, surroundings, etc.
    2. the thoughts and feelings, collectively, of an individual or of an aggregate of people
    3. full activity of the mind and senses, as in waking life
    4. awareness of something for what it is; internal knowledge: consciousness of wrongdoing.
    5. concern, interest, or acute awareness
    6. the mental activity of which a person is aware as contrasted with unconscious mental processes.
    7. Philosophy. the mind or the mental faculties as characterized by thought, feelings, and volition

    From animals I've observed they have a keen idea of this, so I don't feel that this separates us from animals
     
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    Look at number seven more closely.
     
  19. bralbers

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    Thought, feelings, and volition? Well I know animals have feelings and can think things through. As for volition, anything that has a brain has a choice of what it does. Dang I hate big words, it gets me thinking.
     
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    That's kinda the point here.