Backstabbing

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By blacking out the alliance button until 5 minutes have passed, like not being able to perform any diplomatic actions more than once every 5 minutes, or something...

 

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when you tick the box "enemy" for a former ally....you and that player will not become enemy for 5mins....during this 5mins u'll still be allies and a warning message will be sent out.....

seriously when an ally sends a massive fleet of carriers over you don't want to them to "change to enemy" all of a sudden..

 

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I never saw the point of "ally end." Everyone plays to win, if you've played the better game you deserve the win. If you realize that you've lost with no way to come back, just be a good sport and GG and surrender. Everything's over quicker and everyone moves on. Besides, there is no point in win/loss record in SC.

And other than for the purpose of rearranging teams in team FFA games due to disconnects right at start, I really see no point and little need for change of alliance mid-game. If you've worked for the win as a team then the whole team deserves the win, instead of you winning by yourself in the end when your team mate(s) worked hard to put all of you in a winning position. If a person plans to backstab in the end and builds toward it, the person will likely succeed. Where as the player(s) giving it all thinking this is the end would likely to always be in a less favorable position. Example, "you rush, I'll tech up, then we can win..." then backstab. It's not fair, it's poor sportsmanship.

And manually attacking an ally while remaining allied is not backstabbing, it's sabbotage. This will happen less likely and less often because people care about win records for some strange reason.

 

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I'm not gunna lie I've backstabbed so many people in my starcraft days, but for me that just add's to the fun lol.

 

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When someone does it to you, you'll realise how not-fun it can be.

 

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I've been backstabbed plenty of times. It is more annoying than frustrating. Oftentimes I am able to take them down after they BS, sometimes with the help of a former enemy.

I have also been known to BS myself, but that is usually against total morons, or always against total morons. Being a total moron is one of the qualifications for me BSing someone. I'm usually nice enough to warn them with something like, "I'm tired of your stupidity, I think I'll kill you now."

 

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Getting backstab sucks I don't know why like one of the members before said I'm always nice I think it's because I'm not that good :[ Or they are bored, or they have nothing else to do. The only time I backstab was when my ally rushed when it was no rush, so yeah. I don't like how Warcraft won't let you change diplomacy because Diplomacy is part of strategy like to go against and stuff. The other thing is I think people should be able to open their own games not like Warcraft 3 because what if you want to vs. your friends and the firewalls prevent you from playing with your, so you have to go randomly at the same time to see if you play with each other.

 

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They could easily implement something like WC3 does. You cannot "un-ally" with a teammate that is set prior to the game starting.

 

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Yes but people are just concern about specific situations.

Such as playing team ffa such as 2v2v2v2, if one player from two of the teams drop right from the start, then it would be better if the two remaining players on those teams ally up so they can at least run 2v2v2 instead of 2v2v1v1.

 

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All in all, I feel pretty much the same as you Red.

If stuff like that happens, it's too bad but oh well. I rather just not mess with alliances at all and just focus on playing the game.

It is a much more f***ed up feeling when you get backstabbed in the end, than having team mate(s) drop. Even if I kill them, I never feel good.

Besides, when team mates disconnect people just leave right away anyway. If it's the first 2 minutes it doesn't even matter, even if it's later most people just leave and move on.

 

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If you're playing a good game with friendly players, you may not want to just scratch the game and start over: you'll want to play it out to the end, even given a change in team structure. In some cases, a player on the team that didn't lose an ally would voluntarily stop engaging in battle so that the other players could finish the game with even odds. In a 4v4 scenario, where two players from the same team drop, all players could stay in the game by simply switching someone to the other team.

I know that, in a purely competitive, "I'm here to win" game, the ability to change alliances can be a problem, but it is great boon to those of us that just play for fun.

 

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The suggestion to disable backstabbing is to prevent some players who go and join teams with a purpose of solely to sabotage others. This is annoying and should be eliminated.

And those people who just backstab for fun and nothing else should go and find something else to do.

 

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anyone but me hating players who destroys all your nuke silos, just for the fun out of it.... or saying when u try 2 nuke a base, ''Hey, i had 2units there'' (killing ure ghost when its set the bomb, but not yet dropped it).!

Ih hate it

 

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Anyone get the classic bs of standing in the defeated base of the enemy and your buddy next to you suddenly sticks his two blades into your flesh? Its very saddening to die at the hands of a friend you walked through the gateway with.

 

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make it like Warcraft 3!!!!! no alliance changing

 

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i have never been backstabbed...in 1 vs 1

 

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You can still backstab in WarCraft 3. You just force attack their base and/or destroy your base at the beginning of the game. That way, when you leave they cannot use your base because it is gone. So, you have basically backstabbed them because it is much more difficult for them to win.

However, I am sure they will do a similar system as WarCraft 3 where you are matched into a game and the alliances are fixed.

And you could just nuke your ally if you really wanted to backstab them.

 

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this is exactally why the spider mine needs the attack command so you don't have to unally or you can just not kill the scout and when the scout sees it's "safe" the army comes in and THEN you attack to kill the entire army rather than a zealot/zergling/marine scout

 

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I believe the original box says

"Your only allies are your Enemies"

if that is changed. Sc2 will no longer be starcraft it will be war craft.

End of discussion

 

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what if you want to play FFA?