Brainteaser/Puzzle Corner (Part 4)

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Brainteaser/Puzzle Corner (Part 4)

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by JBL, Sep 9, 2007.

  1. BnechbReaker

    BnechbReaker New Member

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    ok i got a start, if there are 3 pirates and 2 are needed to open the box then 3 locks are needed.

    p1 - k1 k2
    p2 - k2 k3
    p3 - k1 k3

    EDIT: oh clearly any combination of 7 pirates must have all the keys AND any combination of 6 pirates must not have all the keys.
     
  2. tweakismyname

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    yeah it works like that.
     
  3. BnechbReaker

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    ok i'll try 5 pirates with 3 needing to agree,

    p1 - k1 k2 k3
    p2 - k2 k3 k4
    p3 - k3 k4 k5
    p4 - k1 k4 k5
    p5 - k1 k2 k5

    doesn't work :(

    EDIT: i'm such a dumb ass... any combination of 2 pirates must not have all the keys, there are 5C2 = 10 combinations of 2 pirates, each combo must be missing 1 keys and the missing key must be different for each combo. so there must be at least 10 locks.

    ok how to assign them.... lets list the combinations

    p1/p2 - missing k1 - p3/p4/p5 must all have k1
    p1/p3 - missing k2 - p2/p4/p5 must all have k2
    p1/p4 - missing k3 etc...
    p1/p5 - missing k4 ...
    p2/p3 - missing k5 ...
    p2/p4 - missing k6 ...
    p2/p5 - missing k7 ...
    p3/p4 - missing k8 ...
    p3/p5 - missing k9 ...
    p4/p5 - missing k10 ...

    so:
    p1 is missing k1, k2, k3, k4 - so it has keys 5-10
    p2 is missing k1, k5, k6, k7 - so it has k2, k3, k4, k8, k9, k10
    p3 is missing k2, k5, k8, k9 - so it has k1, k3, k4, k6, k7, k10
    p4 is missing k3, k6, k8, k10 - so it has k1, k2, k4, k5, k7, k9
    p5 is missing k4, k7, k9, k10 - so it has k1, k2, k3, k5, k6, k8

    by similar logic the answer to the 13 pirate riddle would be
    13C6 (13 choose 6) = 1716 locks, and the keys would be distributed in a similar fashion to the 5 pirate version.
     
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    You are too clever bnechreaker, you have great knowledge -_-
     
  5. ssjfox

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    Hey tweak so one lock can need multiple keys to open it?
     
  6. BnechbReaker

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    ok there are 12C5 = 792 combinations 6 pirate combo including p1

    p1 is missing a unique key from each of these combos, so each pirate get 13C6 - 12C5 = 924 keys
     
  7. Quanta

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    @ssjfox your the answer to your riddle is silence.  You break silence every time you speak the word silence.

    Edit: oops, tweak answered this already when he said quiet.  It works a suppose but silence is a better answer.

    Edit: now that I think about it, quiet might not work. If you wisper the work quiet you are speaking it but you are not breaking quiet because quiet. A quiet noise is possible while a silent noise is a controdiction.
     
  8. ssjfox

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    Yeah I noticed Tweak's quiet answer but I figured I would wait for someone to say silence becuase he said he had posted that one before so I wanted someone else to get the answer.
     
  9. Quanta

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    Here's a riddle that I wrote a while ago.  For 200 minerals

    I am a battlefield,
    Witness to many a war.
    Twin lords of different hue
    Give battle to the death.
    Brides are present at the battle.
    Fourteen men serve each lord,
    Eight loyal warriors
    Loyal to the bitter end,
    Two servants of God,
    Two gentile warriors,
    And 2 towers of stone.
    What am I?
     
  10. ssjfox

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    Hmmm if you did make up that riddle it's a pretty good one. I would say light and darkness? But than again I really dont have much of an idea.
     
  11. BnechbReaker

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    sorry but the answer isn't light and darkness nor yin yang nor good and evil, try a different approach.
     
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    It's a battlefield obviously. :)
     
  14. ssjfox

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    If it is a battlefield than I'm going to be very mad :mad: since that was the first thing I thought of but it seemed to obvious.
     
  15. Quanta

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    The answer is not a battlefield.  It is related to a battlefield but, you would all agree, the correct solution is not a litteral battlefield.

    I probably should have just said the answer wasn't a battlefield and left it at that but I figured the reason needed to be explained.  My explanation is a bit of a hint but not very much of one.  At most, it might get you thinking in the right direction.

    Edit to V V V V V

    No need to change the first line. I would explain why in greater detail but I am afraid of giving to much away when it really isn't needed. Each line of the riddle gives important information about the solution and a hint shouldn't be necessary.

    I will say one thing though. It will all make perfect sense once you know the solution.
     
  16. Bumbaloe

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    If it's not a battlefield you should change that first line... =T
     
  17. Bizarro_Paragon

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    Is it a wedding?

    And no, the Hydralisks don't know whether Rory is currently being a truth-teller or a liar.

    Of course, they would know after he answers the question whether he was telling the truth or lying, but it's not like they're just gonna up and tell you, unless you ask them. But I don't think that would help at all.
     
  18. Quanta

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    No it isn't a wedding but that is a very interesting guess. You are on the right track though, in that you are looking for symbolism.

    BTW :powerup: for such a freaking hard riddle. I am stumped by yours. I might try to figure it out again later but for now I'm clueless.
     
  19. Bizarro_Paragon

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    Ah-ha! It's a game of chess!

    I am a battlefield,
    Witness to many a war. (Many games will be played on the same Chess Board)
    Twin lords of different hue
    Give battle to the death. (The Kings are different colors (hues) and the game is over when one is "killed" or "captured")
    Brides are present at the battle. (The Queens)
    Fourteen men serve each lord, (All the pieces, minus the King and Queen, equals 14)
    Eight loyal warriors
    Loyal to the better end, (The Eight Pawns)
    Two servants of God, (The Two Bishops)
    Two gentile warriors, (The Two Knights)
    And 2 towers of stone. (The Two Castles)
    What am I?

    Though why the knights are gentile, I have no idea. Very good riddle! Did you really write that yourself?
     
  20. ssjfox

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    Niceeeee bizzarro, but now I'm all ashamed I didnt think of it, playing chess as much as I do. I think I'll spend a bit of time trying to make my own riddle considering all the awesome ones people seem to be spewing out recently.
     
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