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I can see spirits.

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Psionicz, Jan 17, 2009.

I can see spirits.

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Psionicz, Jan 17, 2009.

  1. Psionicz

    Psionicz New Member

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    Internal or external?

    Having the silent mind allows us to flow more effectively.

    Your inner voice stops talking and thinking, you then become aware of that which is beyond condensed thoughts.

    Internally, you will be aware of how the body functions. Silent mind simply strengthens your intention. The power of intention goes a long way.

    External silence is good as there is less to provoke the inner voice to chatting. Of course, many have found external noise allows them to go deeper in meditation. Accessing the Alpha, Delta, and Theta states of the brain.
     
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    Well, I'm sure I'm gonna have problem with both :/
     
  3. kuvasz

    kuvasz Corrections Officer

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    Frequency determines how good something is, right? What determines frequency?
     
  4. ItzaHexGor

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    A couple of problems with your foundation:

    Firstly, that sounds like a challenge...

    Secondly, unless this is the other reality, which can't really be proven.

    Didn't you just say you were better than everyone?

    That's seriously extremely vague. You're practically just stating one fact and then going on to say that it's something else, thus presenting that other something else as a fact. Not hard to spot, really, you see it in Futurama all the time. :p

    Anyway, yes, most of what you've said is right, but quarks are not pure consciousness, nor are they the essence of awareness. You're forgetting, everything is made up of the same stuff. If quarks, etc, were really pure consciousness, then stuff like sand and pot noodles would be conscious, which is ridiculous. They're inanimate.

    As for thinks not being solid, and being a supposed hologram, that's not right. I mean, yes, things are primarily composed of space, but they are solid. It might sound ridiculous, but when you're standing up, your feet aren't actually touching the floor. When you hit something, you don't actually touch it. The reason things are solid is because of the electrons pushing away the incoming electrons. It's a force pushing against a force, not an object pushing against an object. How this relates to things being solid is that everything contains these forces, in other words, they're all throughout everything, not just on the surface, which is why things don't just collapse or crumple when you touch them. That's why things are solid, and yes, they are solid, despite primarily consisting of empty space.

    I think you'll find that thoughts trigger a chemical change in the body and, in turn, those chemical changes may be able to alter certain geometric patterns, much like any regular catalyst, I presume.

    I'm not sure of what example of people changing their own DNA that you're aware of, and I would like to heard what you've heard. I am aware that certain species can change gender, which I would presume requires them to change their DNA, in certain situations, but I'd take that as physiological adaptation. In fact, it could be considered a behavioural or physical adaptation, depending on how it's achieved.



    That's quite a stretch. Firstly, I seem to recall some major flaws in quantum mechanics when applying it to anything other than extremely small or extremely large scenarios, or something, which is the major problem when trying to, dunno what the word I'm looking for is, 'discover', or perhaps, 'find' the unified theory.

    Regardless of all that, and regardless of how fast you're vibrating, these spirits and other dimensions or whatever would have to be vibrating too. However, if they're vibrating, then they obviously consist of something, and seeing as everything's comprised of quarks, as we've established, they would contain the same forces I was talking about before. If they were, then it doesn't matter how fast you're vibrating or what you'd be able to perceive, you'd be running into these things all other the place.

    Also, another problem with that is the concept of free will. If, if we don't vibrate our minds, we're automatic sheep, then we're not responsible for our actions. We cannot choose to vibrate faster, and even if we do, we're still purely based off of these faster vibrations, so still aren't doing anything of our own accord. Basically, if we're automatic sheep because we vibrate at this frequency, then we're automatic sheep if we vibrate at any frequency, because everything's dependant on those vibrations.

    The rest just appears to be preaching. I will say this though, if you were surprised that it worked, then you'd've been going through the usual negative feelings, like doubt, denial, etc, because, well, as you said, you didn't expect it to work. You're basically talking about this, sort of, realisation, I guess, that we've all got to achieve, but if you hadn't achieved that realisation when you'd recovered then it would not have worked.

    Also, about that condition, apart from the fact that you'd previously said you hadn't had such conditions, well firstly, congratulations for getting over it, if you actually had it, you'll have to forgive me for being sceptical of course, but it would have had no known cure. In other words, they wouldn't have been able to have done anything for you. It doesn't necessarily mean it has a hundred percent fatality rate. People do get over things like this, often for no apparent reason whatsoever. However, that doesn't mean it's to do with vibrating at a certain frequency.

    The body's designed to try and live, and we do not fully understand the body. A positive attitude certainly does have beneficial consequences, I've heard that optimists statistically live longer than pessimists, not sure by how much, but the numbers three and twenty come to mind, so it's probably somewhere in that range. Anyway, back to what I was saying, if something's wrong with the body it will try to fix it, provided it can as diseases like smallpox, which actually intercept the chemicals released by infected cells to warn other cells what's happening so no defensive action can be taken. Anyway, your body obviously got the better of your condition. Whether we know how it did is irrelevant, as as I said, we do not know everything about the body. And as I said, having a positive attitude obviously helps, as you're not giving up, but a lot of what you've said does not appear to have much of a foundation.

    From my judgement, it appears to be a lot of preaching based fairly loosely on scientific fact. However, that said, you've bagmouthed science for not being able to explain what's happened. There are a lot of leaps of faith involved with believing what you've written. Simply assuming a certain concept applies to something, and then being able to say it acts in that same manner, doesn't seem too solid, as you can obviously understand.
     
  5. Babmer

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    I was in the process of writing a post when i saw Hex had already summed it up.
    ty.


    I find it rather ironic that these deluded ideas he is expressing all form from the same gap religion abuses. The unknown; Im going to roughly quote here:

    'The Argument from Personal Incredulity screams from the depths of your prescientific brain centres, and almost compels you to say, 'It must be a miracle. There is no scientific explanation. It's got to be supernatural.' But the still small voice of scientific education speaks a different message.'

    Something unkown happens, and your logical senses have no idea how it could possibly come to be. And the first thing you do is leap to the radical conclusion that if there is no logical reason why. Then it MUST be something spiritual!

    'Those people who leap from personal bafflement at a natural phenomenon straight to a hasty invocation of the supernatural are no better than the fools who see a conjuror bending a spoon and leap to the conclusion that it is 'paranormal'.

    There are other anwsers rather than the addled ignorance that your spiritualism veiled in some tattered clothing of science even attempt to put across here.
     
  6. Psionicz

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    Of course I'm being vague. I do not want to debate or anything. I was just trying to lay some common ground so something will click and you stop analyzing every detail against what you think you know. Then we get to the point which is about to be missed.

    Just remember, it is You who puts any label on anything.

    I cannot talk to you in Japanese if you only know English.

    I was just wanna experience.

    So who else has experienced any of this?
     
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    Edit: Well yeah i guess we just reset the thread...disregard the below post... On another note, i have suffered from hallocinations before when i was very young and suffered from a very severe fever once. They kinda reflected what you are saying.


    Dr Emoto's has not shown "scientific evidence" as he has not followed scientific method. He leaves his experiments open to human error, he also doesn't profess to be a scientist. Regardless of whether or not his findings are true you are not stating the truth by saying it is scientific evidence. Try not to be strayed from the difference between pseudoscience and science. He also hasn't followed up on the 1 million dollar award offered to him if he can perform a double blind trial. Though i understand that maybe he would fail (even if he is right) and his "research" would be lost to the world.

    I don't want to throw scientific observations into this discussion as they will be rejected because they sit on a completely different plane of thought from what you are saying. But i guess reducing stress is good for your health so keep up the meditation. Things like heart disease and cancer always have a few hundred cures following them around because people do defy doctors due to blind luck as their bodies don't follow statistics.

    I'm agnostic so using Lenga's logic i am in theory perfectly open minded (Kinda impossible to be since philosophy and the human brain don't mesh well...). I don't know whether or not what you say is true but i do know what you are saying so far has failed to fall into scientific theory if you look at anything which has actually been properly peer reviewed etc.

    Prehaps in years to come science will accept certain parts of the picture you are attempting to bring across. But it hasn't yet do its pointless to bring in.
     
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  8. Babmer

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    You are human, and there are no 'levels'. Telling yourself that you can achieve knowledge of other dimensions by sitting on your ass and humming a mantra is so stupid that it makes me lol, and then sigh.
     
  9. ItzaHexGor

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    Nice. I didn't make that connection with religion myself. Perhaps I wasn't gyrating at the correct frequency. :p Just kidding, Psi.

    But yes, it does follow similar principles to and similar logic of religious beliefs, and yes, there have been miracle cures there as well.

    Also, if you're able to, what's the word, 'perform' telekinesis, I assume your family and friends now believe it as well, Psi? Assuming they do, what with getting a headstart on believing it's true, I'd assume they'd be able to achieve similar levels of meditation and mental acts. Are they able to as well?
     
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    They are not open to anything other than money, you cannot sit them down and say something new to them cuz they automate and begin to judge and ridicule out of ignorance, like Bamber. I am not skilled in TK, I am just able to do it. I don't practice it daily or anything, I can just confirm to my self and the few friends who have been present to see, that it is real and possible.
     
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    Mind just answering my two previous questions?

    And why would you not want to debate if you believe in it so wholeheartedly? I mean, I can understand not desiring to start a debate, but why would you actually not want to debate about it? And also, why not just clarify those few points of relating quarks to being pure consciousness instead of admitting it's vague?
     
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    It's like telling a fish to explain why it can swim. The fish doesn't care, it just wants to swim. The dolphin however, enjoys the fact it can swim, it acknowledges that Humans like to swim, so the Dolphin shows those Humans who think they cannot swim by doing acrobatics in the water.

    However, this is not a marine environment. There is solid ground and obstacles. I'm simply sharing I have transcended some obstacles, and saying you can too.

    On the Quark thing, watch the video and it may give an idea what I was talking about:
    http://www.snotr.com/video/1974
     
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    woah, smart double post that i am way to tired to take in. O_O
     
  14. Babmer

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    You think my judgments are spawned from ignorance?

    Im sorry, ignorance of what? You think im ignorant of your spiritual belief because i point out that its the same mental attempt that religion grasps onto?

    The very idea that you think you have 'TK' abilities puts your whole belief in the spiritual section, and to claim that such a thing has ANYTHING to do with science is a totally ignorant thing to suggest.
     
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    That's what I wanted to hear.

    So I presume that, now that they believe it's real and possible, they're achieving similar goals and actions themselves? Or, at least, training themselves to?
     
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    Babmer, just remove your participation from this thread. You're not useful. Place your self in observer mode. We know you don't agree with it. No need to keep repeating your self cuz it serves no purpose. Do you want me to stop talking? If you do, posting as you do wastes even more time cuz you have no power over your life, therefore what you say has no value to anyone. When I see your thought, I see a small cloud of red with a tiny dot of violet as you protect the insecurity of wishing for a better life, the tiny vision you have left, like the dust which displaces it's self when you blow a wooden shelf. Someone like ItzaHexGor, I see a strong cloud of yellow with hints of blue as he is intellectual and has the capacity to communicate effectively.

    Yes, Itza. My best friend is also on a similar path to mine, along with others who are not ready to practice to the degree as I am, but they're opening their minds. There is a huge community of people like me.

    For the record, I do not agree with religion. It is just twisted truths washed in illusion as a control method.
     
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    Hey, easy on Babmer. And I've got to agree with him here. You're practically walking the line of religion, which you were bagging for what they did earlier. It actually reminds me a lot of Shogun in the religious threads, where he'd preach as opposed to discuss.

    Anyway, moving on. It's again what I was expecting, or wanting, to hear. So you're friends are following the same path as you, so I suspect they're achieve that level at some stage, no? And when they do reach that level, I'm presuming they'll follow a similar pattern, would they not?
     
  18. Psionicz

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    Yes.

    Why would you agree with his ignorance? He does not know the process or technicalities of what I experience, so he assumes I do nothing and just hum and repeat mantras. I do neither of the two.

    I'm off to college, talk to you all later.
     
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    Itza are you trying to prove that he's being manipulative (like religions), or what? How about you get to the point?
     
  20. kuvasz

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    I used to see that too to the left of his posts.

    j/k

    My question still stands though.