Iron man PLAGIARIZES starcraft 2

Discussion in 'Space Junk' started by Meloku, May 3, 2008.

Iron man PLAGIARIZES starcraft 2

Discussion in 'Space Junk' started by Meloku, May 3, 2008.

  1. BloodHawk

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    It's not plagiarism.

    You should have gone seen the new Harold and Kumar movie instead.
    5 stars
     
  2. Babmer

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    I quoted it all because its relevant to my reply.

    "Similar" i said "Similar" stages etc.
    Yes the concept has been used many times. But you cannot deny the similarities between the two. I just watchted it again, hell even my brother saw it, who only saw the sc2 trailer once when it was first shown! He said: "Hey isnt that style copied off that sc2 trailer?"

    When someone with that much knowledge of the trailers notices similarities, you gotta be suspicious.
     
  3. ItzaHexGor

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    First off, if the whole post is relevant, you write '@ItzaHexGor' and don't quote the entire thing. There are rules against overquoting, i.e. quoting more than you write. Also, you didn't respond to the entirety of my post, and if you did you should respond to each paragraph or sentence separately, in a separate quote box.

    Of course there are going to be similar stages. Both suits are of similar design. There will be a stage where the chest pieces are put on, but that's because both the Iron Man and Terran Marine have always had chest pieces, and the same goes for everywhere else, excluding the heads, which are designed differently.

    Also you failed to reply to the following:
    I'm not an Iron Man fanatic, but I'm sure that in at least one of their however many Iron Man comics, they'd have had Stark being suited up in a similar way to the movie.
    This speaks for itself. Both movies and games are always in production/development stages sometimes for years before they're officially announced. Unless you can prove that that particular scene was done after the release of the StarCraft2 announcement video, and that they consciously decided to change what they'd already had to parallel said video, you can't accuse them of plagiarism. It's a popular concept and a popular execution. They're innocent until proven guilty.
     
  4. Babmer

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    I didnt reply to your posts because i didnt feel like arguing over such a small topic to that extent.
    Perhaps they didnt copy it? perhaps they did? Im for the latter atm and you cannot deny the similarities between the two.

    but either way no use in arguing because it cannot be proven in my favour or yours.
     
  5. ItzaHexGor

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    Earlier you said you quoted it all because it's relevant to your reply, now you're saying that it wasn't all relevant because you didn't feel like arguing over such small issues? Either way, you reply to what you quote and quote what you're replying to.

    Similarities mean nothing. As I, and others, have said before, it's a popular concept and a popular execution. What happened to being innocent until proven guilty? What are you basing this accusation on? The fact that Blizzard released a five minute short before Jon Favreau release a full length movie? Or the fact that Iron Man was around thirty five years before StarCraft?
     
  6. KuraiKozo

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    Uranus lol =D
    I lvoe how you can totally all argue like this isn't some giant revelation.
    I have something to say
    "It's just a game and the other is just a movie." [/otherwordly voice]
    In all seriousness, or lack thereof, Hex is right.

    And um...what's the big deal, anyway?
     
  7. Babmer

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    Perhaps i was wrong to quote it all then?

    Despite this i was basing my acusations on the deep similarities between the two, similarities which DO mean something when they are so blatant that they can be spotted by someone with near to no knowledge of either products. But yes, ur right. i cannot prove anything and neither can you.
     
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    Why do those similarities have to mean something so sinister? Why can't it just be that Blizzard developed their short for the announcement video from scratch and the Iron Man movie took its scene from the original Marvel comics? Again, popular concept, popular execution, meaning it's not particularly surprising that someone who doesn't know an awful lot about them can link similarities. You're right in saying that neither of us can prove anything, so they're innocent until proven guilty. Neither can prove they're guilty, ergo, they're innocent, but for some reason I don't feel that you share the same viewpoint.

    @ KuraiKozo. No big deal, I'm just the argumentative type. However I do hate it when people make mindless or irrational accusations. I'm not saying that Babmer is mindless or irrational, but there's nothing to show that Iron Man did plagiarise StarCraft2, so I'm clueless as to why he's retaining that opinion.
     
  9. Babmer

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    Well now, imho. I think that they used the sc2 cinematic as a sort of guide for their style of execution, hence the similarities.
     
  10. ItzaHexGor

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    How do you know that they even saw that before developing theirs? The Iron Man Marvel comics came out before StarCraft was even thought of, so they'd have probably gotten their guide from that, and again, just because StarCraft2's five minute announcement video was released first, it doesn't mean that it was made before part of a full length movie.
     
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    Uranus lol =D
    i know what he means

    the marvel comics may have came first, he is saying, but he sees the part where iron man s fitted etc. as an idea they took from SC's cinematis. I haven't seen it, so Idk, but I think he has a point. To one who knows these things, as said, indeed it can seem that way. I know what you mean, but like Hex, I don't think it's right, Babmer.
     
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    erm, iron man first appeared in 1963 and the armor he uses now was designed a few years latter, although it was made a little more closely after the ultimate series iron man, which doesnt resemble a marine that closely by the way, and started in 2003 if i am correct
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1d/Ironman8kp.jpg

    the way of puttimng on the suit is far more bulky in the case of the marine and is supposed to look like strong and harsh, while the iron man putting on scene is supposed to be more smooth and delicate

    and as for the camera stance: with these less revealing shots the camera costs are lower, and look way cooler
     
  13. Babmer

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    Mrhm, well yeah, but for me the they're too similar, regardless of the whole idea being the same anyway. The execution style is almost identical at times.

    As i already agreed however, you could be right, they could have done it before sc2's was done. But we dont know, so not much use arguing about the subject.
     
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    how many ways can you put on mechanically enhanced armor any how?
     
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    ^ Exactly. I mean, it's not like it's a shirt you can just slip into.
     
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    You have your man servant bolt it on for you. All rich guys like Stark have man servants don't they?
     
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    When we see the scene of Tony Stark wearing his armor we just see synthethic pics, I mean we see it's false by the pics, made by some computers.

    For the Terran marine we all know computers created this scene, but Blizzard wanted to make that realistic, as if it was real.

    In the Blizzard scene everything was ALIVE, the pictures, the details, .... everything ! Not with the scene in Iron Man
     
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    But having automated arms do it instead is so much cooler. :p
     
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    It isn't just cooler, its 74 times faster.
     
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    and you dont have to reveal your secret to anyone