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ive got another confession to make

Discussion in 'Space Junk' started by exe, Aug 7, 2009.

ive got another confession to make

Discussion in 'Space Junk' started by exe, Aug 7, 2009.

  1. PancakeChef

    PancakeChef New Member

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    Yea, I read my own article silly, you just interpreted it wrong because your a heathen. Can you please spell my name correctly too? I know it might be a little too much to ask of a third world poverty stricken boy but try.
     
  2. ijffdrie

    ijffdrie Lord of Spam

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    wonder why this is in space junk.


    anyways.

    NUKLEAR POWAH!
     
  3. Renatus

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    If science is so bad Pancake then why the **** are you sitting on the computer complaining about its past faults? You do know its a cumulative process dont you? Or wait perhaps religion finds you other anwsers and your one of those people who have nothing but ignorant distaste for what has given you so much?

    Wait wait, lemme guess, science is wrong about evolution too? Even the speciation part which you can see if you went outside.

    -.-
     
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    You speak of blasphemy Renatus, you shall be purged in righteous fire while angels shed tears because of your incompetence.
     
  5. Higgs Boson

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    So in your world you have to be a scientist to discuss anything about science? You have to be an economist to even dare comment on the economy? You have to be a cook to have the right to say if you think that this food sucks or not?
    Well hooray for spreading ignorance! This is turning into an argument from authority as in if you dont have the papers you better shut up.
    I despise people who know try to debate a subject that they know nothing about but in my humble opinion I am not one of those people and honestly I cant see how could you come up with that conclusion based on what I wrote here so far.

    Actually current effort is to build fusion reactor harvesting energy using the good old fusion at 10 million degrees. I believe one is being build right not in France. It is nothing to rely on of course but I think its definetly worth looking into further.
    Fission is being perfected all the time including finding new materials to use as a fuel (for example recently they successfuly performed fission of thorium in a reactor. Its also a lot safer to use.) so nuclear is really the most straightforward way to go now.
    Solar - if perfected as you say would be awesome. If it was to happen I would certainly support it but I still dont believe it would suffice for all human needs in all geographical locations so having fusion/fission as the raw backup would always come in handy.
     
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    I thought this thread was about something else, something about the truth behind exe of his love life............but it turned out to be something completely different -.-
     
  7. Fenix

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    Uhhh...Running a reactor at 10000000C is not what I'd call feasible. I mean, fusion would be awesome, and I'm totally for it, but I just don't really think it's possible on a large scale. And cold fusion isn't.

    Fission is totally kickass, I'm totally 100% behind nuclear power.

    On the whole, solar is the most widely available. Since fission depends on far more raw materials (not only the fissionable material itself, but whatever you need to build the plant), solar is far more effective in remote places. The only place I can see fission being more viable is in high population density areas (since currently fission outputs more energy than solar based on sqaure mileage) or places with the whole six month winter thing (extreme longitudes)
     
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    I wish the builders all the luck in the world, if that works, it will be insanely awesome.

    However.

    The schedualed cost was five billion euros. It's expected to be double that. It'll take a while to pay off 10b worth of power. Other thing. 5-10 times the expected heat, whilst none of will be used to do anything. That's 5-10 times the amount of wasted energy production.

    Also, and maybe this means I'm a victim of fear mongering, but I just don't care for the concept of igniting a self sustaining nuclear reaction. If something goes wrong, you can't exactly pull the plug on it, can you
     
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    Its a testing facility and its not ment just as a prototype of a fusion reactor so yeah the price is a little high. Hopefully it will help us find out a way to make fusion work and make it work cheap. Afterall there are much worse ways to spend money.
    Actually I can, they way I understand it you just lower the strength of the magnetic field so the temperature immidetly drops below fusion levels. I wont tell you the details but its definetly no "AMAGAWD, the LHC is going to destroy the earth by greating a massive black hole" type of stuff.
     
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    Lowering the magnetic field would not be a good idea. It's based on magnetic confinement, meaning the field is what keeps the fusioning material, well, confined.

    Fusion does need a near vaccuum environ though, so I'd imagine you could flood the chamber with inert gasses (Argon gas, neon, whatever [not helium. Bad idea]) and you'd contaminate the reaction enough to kill it, and I don't think think it would explode.
     
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    Yes but presumably if you lower the magnetic field in a way to allow the plasma to expand (and without lowering it too much to actually make contact with the structure) it should drop the temperature low enough to stop the chain reaction. Gases would also work. Anything with atomic number 5+ should be safe. Anyways I trust the engineers and scientist behind this that they thought of eventual problems and implemented safety features to prevent that from happening. I mean... lets not pretend that thousands of people with PhDs would overlook something like that. :)
     
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    What, you mean like hundreds of the smartest people in the world not checking the wiring on their world ending device? (LHC if you didn't get it)

    Yeah, cause that'd never happen.
     
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    The LHC messed up because of manifacturing defect not because of someone forgetting to plug in the coffee machine.
     
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    Can we please have this moved to the lounge?
     
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    "Turbulence in the plasma has proven to be a major problem, causing the plasma to escape the confinement area, and potentially touch the walls of the container. If this happens, a process known as "sputtering", high-mass particles from the container (often steel and other metals) are mixed into the fusion fuel, lowering its temperature."

    Cool it down? That looks a lot safer than I thought.
     
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    Sputtering? Makes it sound like water in the fuel line. Similar concept I suppose though.

    Also, the LHC is delayed again due to faulty wire couplings. That's what I was referring to
     
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    It says in the video: Because its a pigsty.
     
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