legalizing soft drugs?

There you go, brownies do sound good.

 

You mean like people want to do to potatos?

Mixing recreational drugs like herbal party pills with alchohol, and alchohol itself is more dangerous than marijuana, why should alchohol be legal and weed not?

 

Is that only with large doses, or can it be small ones too?

 

@ overmind. As I said, only organically grown marijuana is safer. Hydroponically grown, which is cheaper to grown and produces a larger crop so is very attractive to dealers, it's extremely dangerous and has permanent, long lasting effects.

@ Nikzad. Good point. I assume it would be just be like beer. Obviously, the more you drink/take, the drunker/higher you'd get, and the drunker/higher you'd get they more you'd need to/not be able to throw up. Although people need to drink a lot of alcohol to throw up, it's still extremely common, and I assume it would be similar with weed. It's not as though you'd been to smoke a whole plant for it to be a problem, and seeing as when you're drunk and high you'd have next to no self control, it would be a big issue. It happens often enough with marijuana being illegal, so imagine what it would be like if almost anyone could get it. Especially if people are drinking and smoking underage as their body wouldn't be able to handle that much alcohol, so they'd be even more prone to alcohol poisoning.

 

yeah i was just wondering because once I mixed and I actually did puke

*key word in that sentence being "once"*

 

i don't think it will happen that often, mainly coz it makes you feel like sh*t if you do (only once...) one or the other would be much more common once people have actually had both at once.

 

He meant smoking Cigarretes (tobacco bought from stores) will decrease your life DRAMATICALLY. Not weed, weed is way better then ciggarettes, it won't do much long term ****.

 

@ overmind. People drinking until they puke happens a heck of a lot. You can't deny that. If marijuana was legal, then it would, just like alcohol and cigarettes, become an extremely popular supply for any social event, especially after it's just been legalised. You can't deny that either. Combine the two and what do you get? A whole lot of people drinking to the stage where they need to puke but are unable to due to the marijuana and consequently resulting in alcohol poisoning.

When anyone drinks excessively, they need to be able to throw up. Throwing up gets rid of all the excess alcohol that their body cannot handle. Marijuana stops the body from throwing up, so when combined with excessive drinking, can be potentially fatal.

 

i dont know, it doesnt happen a lot in holland

 

no, i dont think legalizing marijuana will be a good idea at all, but legalizing hemp, i think, will be better, hemp has a very low level of cannabinoids (THC), which is the chem. that gets you high, it also can be a very good fuel source wich will lower gas prices, and is able to be grown and recycle many times more than trees.

 

I've never seen any sort of study that shows marijuana has any negative long term lasting effects. The popular statistic that says marijuana users are more likly to end up in fatal car accidents fails to mention that the people this statistic is formulated with were drunk in nearly all cases. Nor does it mention that the blood tests used to determine possible drugs in a person's system are unable to tell if the drug was used a few hours prior or a few weeks before the test was taken.

Marijuana is a gateway drug? I and most of my friends in highschool had experimented with cigarettes and alcohol long before hitting a bong. Some make the argument that weed is a gateway street drug that leads to harder drugs such as cocaine. Again their is no credible evidence proving this.

Marijuana causes street crime and turf wars and even funds terrorism? First of all, crack is a money drug. Heroin is a money drug. Tobacco is a money drug. Weed dealers are usually very nice peaceful people (not all of them are, but what group of people is 100% civilized). I've bought weed in the suburbs and the inner-city, you know what? Most of these people only bother selling enough so they can break even while smoking for free.

Placing a harmless drug such as marijuana on the black market is what ties it to any sort of criminal activity or hard drug abuse anyways.

Lets not forget about how much tax money goes into the war on drugs either. Money straight out of your income not to bolster social security but put ads on TV where a kid gets high enough to point a loaded gun at his head. People are under the impression that when you get high you lose all sense and intelligence. I'm writting this high, do I strike you as the cliche "Dave's not here maaan" kind of stoner? Tax money wasted on arming police against non-violent offenders and pumping the populace full of foolish stereotypes. Conversely if weed were legal for recreational use as alcohol is...expect your governor to support a hefty new sin tax.

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@ Itza- You can puke when your high....I've seen it. I don't know what would make you think otherwise. I have to add, it's a poor argument when you blame THC when it's the alcohol that kills you. It even sounds like you're suggesting that a person can drink themselves to near death, throw up everytime, and they will be fine.

 

With drugs as legal, the government could start selling these drugs as opposed to dealers, thus resulting overpriced drugs, just like cigs. It's not a big deal anyway, the people who are going to be doing 'soft drugs' are going to get them whether legal or not, it's not hard to do.

 

@ BloodHawk. Obviously it will still be possible for people to throw up when they're high, but marijuana greatly hinders the user's ability to do so. That's why I'm blaming the marijuana and not the alcohol, as it's the side effect of marijuana that increases the chance of alcohol poisoning. If they were only drinking, they'd be fine, but combined with marijuana, they could be in trouble, which is why it's a problem.

Basically, if someone is binge drinking and they forcibly make themselves throw up every so often, then yeah they'll be fine. The reason is because their body hasn't had enough time to absorb the alcohol. However your body will only start to naturally throw up when it basically begins to realise that you've got to much alcohol in your system. Once it's absorbed as much as it can handle, you'll throw up in an attempt to get rid of the alcohol that's still in your stomach, but if you're unable to for some reason, then your body will continue absorbing alcohol until it reaches a dangerously high amount.

 

so blame the cars safety belts and not the drink?

and i am saying that they will not be mixed much because it is not pleasurable!

and actually weeed will most likely get cheaper if its legalised, theres a certain extra cost that goes into the risk of sellin an illegal product

btw, very good BH i bet your teachers could tell at all...^_^

 

No, you blame the alcohol because that's the thing that makes driving so much more dangerous. It's the same with marijuana, you blame the marijuana because that's the thing that makes drinking so much more dangerous. It's the exact same thing with everything. If x makes y dangerous, you blame the x, not y.

 

but alchohol kills by itself and weed doesn't, just because whats allready dangerous is made more dangerous by something thats not dangerous by its self don't ban it, ban the substance that kills, not the substance that could possibly contribute to deaths by the dangerous substance if abused.

 

You're missing the point. I'll go over it again for you.

Alcohol is a poison. If you've got too much of it in your system, you'll die. Unaffected by any other drugs, once your body realises that it's absorbing way to much alcohol for it to handle, you'll throw up. Throwing up gets rid of pretty much all the remaining alcohol in your body meaning that you're unable to absorb much more, as there's nothing there. Taking marijuana impedes your ability to throw up. This means that if you've drunk too much alcohol while taking it, you'll be unable to throw up meaning your body will continue to absorb all the remaining alcohol in your stomach, thus reaching dangerously high levels.

So, for an example, say that you drink enough alcohol to raise your BAC to about 0.5%. I'm not sure of the exact figures, but let's just say for the sake of example that you'll start throwing up at about the 0.25% BAC mark, and, which I actually do know, death will occur at about the 0.4% BAC mark. So, while you're drinking enough to potentially kill you, once your body realises that there's too much in your system, it will throw the rest up. However, if you're taking marijuana as well, once your reach the proposed 0.25% BAC mark, your ability to throw up will be impeded, meaning you'll continue to absorb more and more alcohol, potentially leading to death by alcohol poisoning. Now, chances hopefully are that even while taking marijuana once the drinker reaches a BAC of 0.4% or so, the need to throw up will overcome the effects of the marijuana, but I'm not sure of that, and in any case you'd have already ingested way to much and would still be in great danger.

If that didn't straighten things out, here's a summary. Drinking a certain amount of alcohol won't kill you, but drinking that amount while taking weed can, therefore it's the weed that's causing the death. The weed is impeding the body's ability to throw up, which potentially leads to the death. Blaming the alcohol is like blaming blood loss for the death of people who have been shot. Although it's the effects of the blood loss that causes the death, but it's the shot that causes the blood loss which causes the death. The same with alcohol and marijuana. It's the marijuana that leads to the alcohol poisoning that leads to the death. The marijuana causes the death.

 

Thats a good thing.

 

dude,

so because an otherwise harmless substance prevents people from expelling A FRIKKING POISON that you'l deliberately put in your body, you'll blame the substance, rather than the poison...

why not crimilize the poison, rather than what increases chance of death by the poison but is otherwise harmless?

 

Alcohol is a poison. However seeing as the body naturally has ways to expel it, and seeing as it's beneficial in small amounts, like a number of other poisons, it doesn't mean it should be banned.

If you read my post properly, you'd understand. Marijuana causes alcohol to be dangerous. It's not the alcohol that's dangerous, it's the marijuana's effects that are dangerous. Marijuana impedes the body's ability to throw up, which is what causes the death by alcohol poisoning. As I said earlier, drinking an excessive amount of alcohol won't kill you, but drinking an excessive amount of alcohol when combined with marijuana will.