Life sucks...

people are slacking off paragon just because of his reputation, but he does have a fair point

are you back for good paragon? since your last visit yesterday the thread about your returning has already grown to 4 pages...

 

no im not tryin to diss paragon cause of a reputation, im making a point about his post nothing else, so do go making assumptions BnechbReaker, its foolish to presume my intention. And i never slagged him off, i said i was appauled with his post which i am. I never insulted him in a petty way, i never slagged him off. so dont you twist my words with your perception and judgment.

Paragon, you CAN build inner strength from outer things. Imagine you have no family, no friends, no activities, no job, nothing. All you have is one girlfriend. It gets quite involved, and then you break up. Your shattered. If you have the family, and the friends, and the activiteis and job and sports n'all that its easier to stay more resiliant, If you just end up with nothing, and a break up, its much harder to deal with. So i stand by that, the more connections you have, the more resiliant you become and the more inner strength you gain.

Looking at the rest of the worlds problems in times of being down is not a good way of dealing with issues, because it in fact is NOT DEALING with the issues. Thats simply minimising how you feel, by comparing it to greater issues in the world. That is not helpful. The issues remain, and are in fact worsened because minimising how you feel in this way can lead to further issues ontop of the original.

Paragon YOU are the one who took that out of context. YOUR the one who said someone whos 30 still living with their parents have a sucky life. YOUR the one who said someone who finds their kids killed by mortar or somthing has a sucky life. YOU are the one who took that out of context, and i disagreed with you.

So it would like like you have not taught to fish. At least i gave him something designed to support him, instead of tell there's no point being upset.

 

there is nothing "appalling" in paragon's post, even if he is not the best qualified to give this kind of advice. he was simply stating the fact there are all sorts of perople who have greater problems but they deal with it, and in his opinion there are better things to do then crying about name calling and strict parents. there were nothing malicious or ill intended in his post. you gave his a power down based on not facts but your own opinion. if that's not slagging off i don't know what is.

 

he wasnt just simply saying there's worse in the world, he was telling him to get over it because of this.

there is no need to bring the worlds issues into something like this, he completley minimised his feelings

BnechbReaker if you were really upset, doesnt matter what it was. Your cat dies, you didnt get a job you wanted, you and a mate had a fight, or something far more serious, anything.

You are really really upset, if you called out for someone to support you, and all they said was get over it your better off than most. Is that helpful? or is that bringing you down even more?

Think about it, really.

 

YAY philosophy

imo, none of us are certified psychologists, unless someones hiding it from us.

I think that we don't have to go that in depth with the posts I've seen. I saw this thread as someone who wanted a pick-me-up on a bad day and I would have obliged willingly had it not been my bed time (some will say that being nice has no time restraints and that's true, maybe I was just being selfish:/)

Sometimes sympathy is better then big words imo (and with that slight hypocrisy I post)

 

-Paragon-
Welcome back, Paragon. You wouldn't be referring to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, would you? If not, I'd very much like to know what it is you're referencing, as it sounds interesting. Also, I'd wonder what you thought of what I said, though I will admit that I do tend to "psychobabble" on, as it were. Your opinion on the topic was an interesting one, if presented rather gloomily, and it would be interesting to know what you thought of mine. Specifically, the passages where I state that he had a rather amazing life, and that living for vengeance was always unhealthy, respectively.

-bnechbReaker-
Everything we do as a society, all punishments and rewards, are based off of opinion, perception of fact. EG:
Fact: Frank murdered his maid for no reason.
Perception: Murdering someone for no reason is bad.
Consequence: Punishment.

The same type of reaction happens here. Paragon made a statement, which may or may not have been apalling in it's own right. We as homo sapien are in no position to accurately describe the ultimate form of Paragon's statement, whether it of itself necessarily had "good" or "bad" intentions. However, we can still make Perceptions, as I said before. Headstock perceived the post as one that would negatively impact the community. Hence, the natural consequence for him to purport would be punishment. You perceive the post as a valid opinion, one that would help. Ergo, your natural course of action would be reward.

As they say, the only things in the universe that are unchangeable are change and man's opinion.


-headstock-
What you're referring to is actually externally-reinforced inner strength. Paragon is correct in stating that inner strength, by definition, can only come from within you. However, you are correct in saying that it is easier to deal with things when you've got family, friends, etc backing you up. Your inner strength greatly hinges on exterior factors, but they can only help or hinder you. It is still you that makes the ultimate decision. Hence, externally-reinforced inner strength.

You make a good point about minimalization. I'm glad that there's people that can see that.

 

Bizarro_Paragon, lovely post.

firstly ill address the powerdown. That is the purpose of them is it not? To reward, or punish based on whether you think in your opinion one is deserved? I cant see anything wrong with my powerdown, it was completley based on my opinion, but with no other prejudices it was completley aimed at the post as it shoudl be. If there is a more accurate way to use power ups and downs please tell me, thats the first power down ive ever given. Though i assume my impression is correct, and i still feel the power down wa deserved.

The thing about inner strength, well fair enough im not one to argue technicalities. But my point remains quite valid, and ill stand by that not in arrognace but because minimising someones feelings is not supportive, and support is what was asked for. Telling someone being upset is pointless, is not helpful and is highly unsupportive. Comparing someones upset to larger issues is not helpful and highly unsupportive. Paragon displayed an interesting perspective, with some truth to it, but truth does not equal support. It seems you are familiar with minimising feelings, im glad.

*EDIT, added one sentence

 

@Josh, why should you care?

First, you point that people who are in bad situations deserve it because they are slackers is false. You will find hundreds of thousands to millions of hard working people living in severe poverty right here in the US, that number grows to billions world wide. Believe you me, hard work alone will not make you succeed if you don't have luck as well. The truth is your environment is extremely important to determining if you can succeed. If you cannot afford college and your grades in high school weren't good enough to get enough scholarship money to make up what your parents cannot afford, you are screwed. Without a college degree, it is almost impossible to get ahead in this country.

That is just the case if you are born in the US; tt could be much worse. I could list any number of third world countries where you would have next to no chance of succeeding in. Where you are all but certain to be doomed to poverty. It has nothing to do with the people not working hard. All around the world you will find people litteraly working to death trying to support themselves and their families.

So what if there is an aid epidemic in Africa. So what if millions of people die each year from easily treated diseases. So what if people lost their homes, their families, and everything else they had in a natural disaster. Afterall, it isn't you're problem right? Wrong.

First, It effects your because crime effects you. The biggest cause of crime in this country and in any country is poverty. Less poverty brings less crime which is good for you and everyone else.

Second, people unable to afford preventative medicine and unable to pay medical bills are a leading cause of the rise of health care costs. The more people are able to afford early treatment the less ER vists there will be and less expensive proceedures.

Third, economy. The less people that are in poverty, the more people there are to buy products and services. Thus helping reduce poverty help raise demand which is good for the economy. It is a much more effective aproach than the supply side voodoo economics that are in common practice today.

Fourth, should something ever happen to you, there will be people to catch you so you don't fall all the way to rock bottom. You help others because you know if you need help others will help you.

 

headstock's opinion is that paragon's post was appalling, my opinion was that headstock's reactions are a bit extreme. i wouldn't say that i entirely agree with paragon's post but i don't see why someone would be appalled by it so much. to me it's too much of an over reaction like seeing stray dog and shooting it dead because of the fear that it might bite you. but i guess it's headstock's opinion...

 

BnechbReaker

I do stand by what i have said, but perhaps you are right to say that being appauled is probably a bit over the top, and i would now think that perhaps i am not appauled to the true meaning of the word. Again though, i do stand by what i have said, the points i have made.

i appreciate you accept this as my opinion,
cheers

 

Sry, I dislike Paragon's post too. Not enough to power down, but I did dislike it.

I've been to many countries, very poor ones, in which I could live a happier life than my own simply on account of better environment, counting the people in it. I have to quote Chile in example, a country where everyone is very welcoming and nice. There's warmth emanating from them, and you always get kind of sad when you leave and start comparing your home to there. Paragon, you must have never traveled much.

But to the main poster, well, if you've got brains, somehow you'll make it through. It's harder to compensate stupidity. Everything has a way, and compensations. It's up to you to find the good things to take advantage of your situation, and a way to block the bad things. Embrace who you are and make the best out of it. If you're being unsuccessful, perhaps you're just trying to use someone else's solution. A snake doesn't make a good elephant.

Think about it, if some people actually set themselves free from their parents, or other students, there must be a way. Another great thing about traveling is that you get a hint of how big the world is, and start not caring about home and its small concerns. Seeing different places can show you how different the values can be.

Working for me is a very good thing in example, as you don't have to rely on your parents' money and get them throwing it at your face like mine do. I love when I got work, and hate being still. There's always a bright side. Just never do like Paragorn and get used to how bad things are, thinking there's nothing better out there. If you're unhappy, then definitively that's not how things should be.

 

hey cool. a "life sucks" thread. wooohooo ill post ^_^

lets just all play starcraft and kill some comps kk?

 

about all the povertys in africa and asia: i dont actually care. it is in peoples natures to care most about themselves and their family/clan/country, thats what evolution is based on. most of the worlds pollution comes from the US and 3rd world countrys, because of their great numbers. My guess is that if all couples in the world would only get one child. all world problems would be over in 3 or 4 generations

 

I said this to someone today... and now that this thread is going a bit off topic i think i will speak up.

Darktemplar_L began this thread expressing his frustrations etc and called out for some support.

We started off all well and good, and then through some conflict began some debates, and now those debates are being taken even further to irrelevant issues.

I feel the way this thread is continuing is somewhat disrespectful to Darktemlar_L.

I do not pretend to be innocent, i contributed just as much to what im now speaking out against.

I feel it would be appropriate to start a new thread, based on this general 'Life sucks - Discuss' concept, and there's no reason the new thread couldnt take off from where this thread is left.

ijffdrie, may i have your permission to begin a new thread beggining by quoting the whole of your last post? so that this thread may be continued in a more appropriate location?

Do other people agree this should be done?

EDIT* i have PMd both JBL and ImaGiNe.... i hope i havnt stepped out of line with my proposal im not sure if im allowed to do this

 

First of all, I would like to thank headstock for pointing this out and being mature about it. Darktemplar's post is indeed a call for help and support and after viewing through some of the posts, I think it is time to get back on track.

Some of the posts that are about other problems may infuriate Darktemplar_L as he made this particular piece about himself and asked for some support on the issue. I would have to say that Bizarro_Paragon's advice is one of the best to follow. It is also important to know that not all effects of your stress are negative.

In my AP English 11 class, I learned something quite uncanny in a sample essay. In high school, getting cut from the team is the hardest thing in any adolescent's life, however the failure to make it on the team forced those to rethink, reevaluate, and learn. If you could apply this to your problem, you could and should embrace who you are and what you have Darktemplar. That is all I can really say.

 

you have my permission

 

cheers mate,

the new broadly named thread ...

http://www.starcraft2forum.org/forums/index.php?topic=3293.msg87866;topicseen#new

its called LIFE SUCKS - GENERAL DISCUSSION

For discussion about world issues from aids to war, or any other issues from stressing out at school to fights with friends or whatever it is.

i hope people use it, if people dont thats fine, but there it is either way.

 

From now on, every replies about the general discussion of how the life is sucking hard goes there:

http://www.starcraft2forum.org/forums/index.php?topic=3293.0

to reply in this topic, you must answer directly to the first thread, which is about Darktemplar_L

Thank you.