The Paranormal

Paranormal = Seemingly not in accordance with known scientific laws.
I don't see a reason why it has to be ghost or god or any other super-entity only beacause you don't know what's causing it. Throughout the history people always claimed that god (or something else on that note) did it if they could not explain it through means of science. Like solar eclipse, creationism, big bang, heck even when people got epilepsy in 15th century everyone was persuaded that they were possesed by devil beacause they had no idea about seizures.

It's definetly strange what I saw in the video and I'd love to know what's behind that but I see absolutely no reason why it should be a ghost.

 

I see, so we just can't explain it with science yet, right?

Which doesn't exactly exclude the possibility of ghosts, but I agree that even if ghosts were real they don't have to be the cause of everything. And that'd be assuming they do exist.

 

Hm, when I think about it I think Ill modify my statement a bit.

We can't explain it with science yet OR (and thats more likely) we dont know how to apply our current knowledge to the phenomenon in order to explain the cause behind it.
When you cannot solve mathematical equation it doesnt automatically mean you have to invent brand new branch of mathematics, you just dont know how to apply your current knowledge properly.

 

Sorry, I'm going back a bit here. I didn't have any time to respond to this thread earlier.

It's never open is it? Well I'm sure you have a hard time closing it then. Personally I've never tried to close a closed door. It must be quite a challenge. The point is that you've said that you open it. I always take my socks off before going to sleep. Sometimes in the morning I wake up and I've got socks on. the answer? No, not ghosts, I simply forgot. No-one is perfect, no-one remembers everything.

Unless you've video-taped yourself sleep every night since you were born or hired someone to stay awake all night and watch you sleep, I don't know how you can say that you absolutely 100% never have, ever, sleep walked. Also, why are you telling me not to ask you a question? Is it because you realise that if you answer it truthfully you'll have to admit that you have absolutely no proof or any evidence that you've never sleep walked? Or is it that you realise that if you say what you want to say, being that you miraculously do know that you've never sleep walked, it will be so clearly evident that you're lying and have nothing to back yourself up?

I'm not sure which film you're talking about, but the most famous 'sightings' of 'bigfoot' have been admitted to being a hoax. The people who have said they're 'seen' bigfoot are usually always unreliable and just wanting the attention, and that's if they're not mentally ill and have convinced themselves that they've seen bigfoot when in reality they have not.

 

but santa is real, lol jk

well as for the closet, i always close doors that are open if they dont need to be open in the first place, its a habit

 

Please stop bringing Santa here, it's a completely different thing.
We're talking about "ghosts" and paranormal things which are not capable of understanding yet, so we people make up their own theories (regardless of how insane they may be).
Santa's tale afaik is based on a living person's story (Christian's Saint I think) who was giving out gifts on his birthday and was a good guy overall, so we made up a fairly tale as an example for children. And then commercialized like everything else of course.

 

Stop ruining our jokes. Youre such a buzz killer.

 

I don't believe in ghosts or other supernatural entities because I feel there is a better, more scientific explanation for the yet unexplained phenomena. Perhaps we haven't discovered the cause yet, or simply haven't used the correct theories or experiments to examine these circumstances. It seems irrational and fairly typically human to anthropomorphize anything that is mysterious, inexplicable, or vaguely human in shape. One day science will have an answer, even if that answer doesn't come in our lifetimes. If there are in fact ghosts or spirits, then eventually there will be some proof of their existence, not merely poor quality videos of strange happenings that resemble cloaked figures, or chairs moving without any apparent force on them. When I can see this proof, then I will entertain the idea that these things exist. Until then, I refuse to believe in ghosts.

Extraterrestrial life probably does exist, but I don't think any has ever been to Earth. I think the alien sightings were all hallucinations or lies. Crop circles are made by people with too much spare time. Bigfoot is probably a hoax (I have seen equally compelling evidence for the existence of gnomes. I don't believe in those, either.), though there is probably at least one species of great ape not yet known to science. I could go on, but I think you get the idea of where I stand on these issues.

When I was young, I used to be terrified of these sorts of things. Now I think they are somewhat amusing. The videos listed earlier were entertaining, but hardly conclusive either way.

To sum up, if there isn't some proof that X exists and is causing Y, one must seek the simplest explicable cause for Y.

 

ItzaHexGor... You don't know me... You have to actually see me and where my closet door is and how hard it is to open to believe me. It should never be open in the first place... I never said a ghost caused it anyways, it probably wasn't but it is the only time it has done it so there could possibly be an alternate explanation to the mysterious opening of my door.

11-Sodium... I respect your opinion however too many strange unexplainable things have happened... I have a question, how would you explain say... A chair moving on its own and you caught it on camera. But! Unfortunately, you were the only one there and skeptics are refusing to believe you?

 

It should never be open in the first place. The reason it was would have been because you forgot. I don't have to see you, where your closet is and how hard it is to open, because no-one has a perfect memory. If you're doing this night after night, week after week, month after month, year after year, then you're bound to forget sometime.

Also, you basically did say that you think ghosts did it. In your second post you said that you think ghosts exist because there are so many things that people experience that can't be explained naturally. You then went on to talk about how there wasn't a natural explanation for your closet opening in the night.

Of course there won't be any explanation if you say say 'no' to every logical suggestion. You still haven't answered my question either? How do you know that you've never sleep walked? You can't just say 'you can't say that' because it's a question, not a statement.

 

I am not sleep deprived, that's why I don't sleepwalk!
I always close it if it is open, which it shouldn't be. The door is right next to my bed so when I undress, I have to look at the door and go next to it.

I didn't say ghosts did it, I just said that's the only thing not normal that has happened to me in my life...
I never said the closet door was something a ghost closed, I just denied the fact that the wind or a breeze

You know what... I hate you... You use every single word I say against me and actually look at my posts closely...
(just a joke)

 

If you claim something and then you change it once someone attacks your argument then please, dont argue with anyone. Please dont bother replying with your good old "I didn't change my statement, I never said the ghost did it" and let people make their own picture of what you said/ment and what you didnt.

As for the chair moving on itself its impossible to prove that its authentic. Its so goddam easy to make chair move on itself. You dont even need strings or earthquake, just couple of minutes in photoshop and vegas.

And why is current absence of scientific explanations automatically imply that there are ghosts and other stuff? People didnt even try to investigate the real cause behind most phenomenon. They just dont want to, they will rather believe in ghosts and their dead parents opening their closets.

edit: Oh and there is no way that you can for sure if you sleepwalk or not. You know, sleepwalk isnt always the hollywood style, zombie-ish thing where people go out with their sleeping hats on and fall off a roof. You might have opened the closet (for some reason) and then forget about it when you fall asleep. Anyways if your closet opening byitself is your main evidence of ghosts then... duh...

 

Sleep walking isn't caused by sleep deprivation, however saying that you're not sleep deprived is also a pretty bold statement. Anyway, as several people have already told you, there is no way to tell if you sleep walk or not. Sleep walking doesn't have to be a chronic thing either. There are chronic sleep walkers, but that doesn't mean you have to be a chronic sleep walker in order to sleep walk.

Also, just because you walk past it or look at it every time you go to be it still doesn't mean you'll always remember. It might appear as though it's shut but it's actually just pulled, thus it's left open. Something else could have happened one night which makes you forgot, thus it's left open. You could have just been extremely tired one night and gone straight past, thus it's left open.

 

It's called physics. Just because you can't explain it doesn't mean it's supernatural. That's just a lazy way of explaining things.

Besides, if I ever met a ghost, and it tried to scare me, I'd flip it off and kick it in the balls Jackass-style.

 

If I ever met a ghost/vampire/werewolf etc I'd blast it with a fireball. Impossible? So are ghosts

 

I think you may have missed the point of my post. The main idea I hoped to get across was that using supernatural explanations for phenomena not yet understood is rather unscientific. I can't explain how a chair moved without being able to examine it happening myself. If I observed it only once, I would probably explain the chair's movement as someone's idea of a practical joke, since I consider that a more reasonable explanation. If I couldn't repeatedly observe/test the chair, I would not be able to conclusively attribute its behavior to anything specific at all, since I would have no evidence to support any conclusion.
Also, I am likely to ever see any inexplicable chair movements in my lifetime.

I will restate my opinion on this matter, just in case: I find the existence of ghosts to be highly unlikely and unsupported by any real scientific evidence. Lack of a scientific explanation for an event does not automatically mean it is supernatural in nature.

 

They way I view it , is if we can't destroy it, it most likely doesnt exist.

 

Nope, dont believe in ghosts or any type of paranormal, it can all be explained.

I dont like to argue this though as it always gets very heated lol.

Just thought id give you my opinion.

 

I didn't change my statement...

You see, ItzaHexGor, when I'm undressing, I see if the closet is open or not. So I don't accidentally miss it or forget it because like I said before, I'm right next to it. I forgot to say that my closet door was wide open when I saw it. You need a significant amount of force to move it...

TheWorker... I never said a ghost did it, I said that was the closest to paranormal I have gotten to. I actually tried to disprove my door opening by itself. I tried to open the window in my room and in other rooms, but it didn't open it. Then I tried to pull it, but you have to turn the door handle.

Guys, just explain the black thing in the video okay? If you can. Ghosts are just a theory... The big bang started out as a theory didn't it? So did evolution and they were proven. Paranormal things just haven't been proven or disproven yet.

 

It only has to be open a bit for a breeze to be able to push it. Unless it's so heavy that you need a couple of people to help you open it each time, due to its very large surface area, there doesn't need to be a particularly strong wind to blow it open if it's just been pushed shut and not latched. It may feel like you require much more force to move the door, but that's because you're applying your force to one area. The wind has the whole door to push against.

The door only has to be pushed shut so it just look like it's closed in order for you to miss it so that the wind would be able to blow it open. That's it, just unlatched. Not wide open, just pushed. It's there every night and it's in the same position every night, so it's easy an easy thing to overlook.

First off, the big bang is still a theory, and so are some aspects of evolution, but the difference between those theories and ghosts is that there's tonnes of scientific evidence and mathematical calculations to back up the big bang and evolution, but there is no such thing for ghosts.

Lastly, I like how only address the parts of the argument that suit you. You mentioned earlier about how there's video evidence of bigfoot, but when I told you the most well known videos of bigfoot were admitted to be hoaxes, you just ignore it. This whole time you've just been saying 'I don't sleep walk and I know that I don't sleep walk' then as soon as it's proven that it's impossible for you to know if you've ever sleep walked, you just ignore it.