The Ultimate Mystery

I am pretty sure that most people who were thought to be lunatics actually were lunatics and it's only a small percentage where it was otherwise. It's a confirmation bias that's all there is to it.

 

Well there is still my theory of the scientific after life thingy. I can't really remember what it was about, but I think it was something about after you die you would be brought back to life after the universe repeats its creation of earth. If time and space are infinite then eventually the particles that make up your body and brain chemistry will reassembled in the same order thus bringing you back to life. Whether you remember what happened before hand. I dunno. Also this kind depends on if time and space last forever but seeing as how nothing ever does. Then i guess its not really possible.

 

I find it interesting that athiests like Higgs are vehemently opposed to the idea of anything happening post death aside from oblivion. The only possible motivation for this can be the desire to be right... however in this context that desire is self-defeating, because if they are right then they ultimately lose. I'm no scientist, but I know enough to know that scientific discourse requires being open to possibility. I also know there isn't a whole lot of evidence to back up either side of the argument: Be it oblivion or 'something else'.

Without evidence, I put it to you its more idiotic to definitively infer you KNOW what happens after we die, than for people to 'suggest' what they believe 'may' happen after we die.

That being said my point is there's no harm in a little speculative discussion on a topic whereby neither side has a concrete answer.

"If God does not exist, everything is permitted." - Fyodor Dostoyevsky.

 

No it's not idiotic because we know enough to drive a logical conclusion that there is nothing after death. We have a pretty good idea of how brain works. We know that what makes us is the brain activity. No brain = no us.
There is no ambiguity there it's just a simple syllogism.

 

if there is still energy in your body, energy arises from actions, especially bad actions which arise karma/energy, that energy has to go somewhere agreed? it doesn't go to the earth since it is the same energy that controls your brain impulses, so it must go into the circle of life who knows maybe you become a dog

 

I find that the combination of events needed for the earth to come to have life and an ecosystem like this is too big...so the possibility of those events happening is rly close to 0...yet things did go this way and everything in favor of life...how can u not see that things are bigger than simple chem

 

actually, all you need is a molecule that is capable of self-replication. after it starts copying itself, there's almost no stopping it. few billion years later, us.

 

I find the argument from 'chance' so laughable it pains me. I know it's impossible to imagine just how vastly big space is and how immenly old it is but come on... Think.

 

the number of stars in the entire universe is smaller than the number of atoms in a football....

For a guy that seems to like quantum physics-mechanics u rly dont give chance a chance....when its all about that

 

it's still a pretty big number. you make the probability sound like it's zero, when it's more like the probability that one of the atoms in the football happens to be a radioactive isotope. unlikely for each individual atom, but on the scale of a football it's practically guaranteed.

 

I do give chance a chance. Its you who denies chance to be able and produce what we see today.

 

How do we KNOW how many stars there are in the universe? I mean maybe theorizing but we can't actually know for a fact how many stars there are can we? We are only capable of seeing the stars around us through machines, but how do we know these machines aren't giving us the wrong info? I don't think there is an after life as we imagine it, but that doesn't mean there isn't one of some form. Is there some paradise that we go to when we die? No. Is there a chance we may retain or reacquire consciousness after death? Possibly.

 

Thank you Jshep, for keeping an open mind on this subject. No one will know the real answer, as no one has come back from being 100% dead to tell their tale. You can observe, and assess all you want about a dead person, but you will never know what really has happened to him or her. I do hope that somehow our consciousness is perserved, the thought of being void of existence is something hard to bare or even imagine.

 

You guys are not being open minded you are being willfuly ignorant. From our current observations it is pretty clear that there is no afterlife. Perhaps there is something critical that still eludes us which would contradict that but until you find it I am pretty confident saying that I know there is no afterlife. Knowledge is not limited to first hand experience.

 

No offense Higgs, but you are showing to be willfully arrogant. You have no idea what a person experiances when he or she dies. No amount of observation and study can come to a accurate conclusion. The only thing close we have to knowing is when people have come back from the dying process, but never has someone just opened up their casket, and dug themselves out of their grave to tell us what they experianced.

 

YOU'RE ALL IGNORANT!
ONLY ZORD KNOWS THE TRUTH!
ALL HAIL ZORD!

On a more serious note, stop calling the other ignorant. pretty please? *puppy eyes*

arguments like these are pretty much the reason I abhor Occam's Razor. For Higgs the simplest explanation is that those near-death experiences were bio-chemical reactions within the brain. For others, the simplest explanation is that there is a life after death.

 

Occam's razor is actually playing into my hand since I don't need to make up any unknown or supernatural phenomens to make my point.

 

Nope, you just have to dismiss the closest thing to eyewitnesses.

What is the simplest solution is relative in a lot of arguements.

 

You are the porduct of your brain, your brain gets scrambled in a blender, you are no more. Seems pretty simple to me.

 

If there is an afterlife, we probably will all bug you in there for all eternity.