US Health Care Reform

Oh ok, sorry about that then.

And a lot of ppl forgo expensive treatments or even checkups in general, I know I have, and am at this present moment, just today Maddie and I were talking about, and she told me to go to the doctor, in which I replied I couldn't cause I can't affording have zero health insurance what so ever.

 

I am all for government provided health care. But I would also like to keep privatized health care for an alternative option. It could keep the taxes down as the wealthy and higher class population would use the private health care, and the middle and lower class would use the public.

 

So long as everything that is needed is provided for the lower classes fine. I would opt in for the government provided health care at the cost of higher taxes if I were rich anyway, but that's just me. I don't like it when people are only compelled to do something because of money, but otherwise don't actually care. That is a different discussion however, so I'll leave it at that.

 

Well privatized health care when its competing with public would generally be better. It provide better private hospitals, and better physicians. Shorter lines and perhaps even more advanced treatments that the federal government wouldn't have caught up with yet. The insurance companies would have to change their whole method of business to be able to compete with a government health care plan. Also people pay for the post office regardless if they use it or not. Yet they still use FedEx and UPS.

 

First of all the bill that Obama is trying to push through does not abolish private insurance in any way, shape or form. Second of all the taxes will remain the same regardless of how many people choose private insurance over the public one. If the government has to wiggle with the tax system every six months to acustom to the needs for the public healthcare then it is being done wrong and the system should be revisited and modified.
Virtually the entire europe has a 'free' public healthcare and it's working fine. (I would be lying if I said that there weren't problems but since when did anything run by the government worked without a hitch?)

 

It's not free they have to pay taxes for it don't they? The money doesn't just appear out of thin air. They get it from tax dollars.

 

Where exactly did I say that the money does indeed appear out of thin air?

 

When you implied that their health care was 'free'. Its not free its paid for by the tax payers.

 

I guess adding an apostrophe is a lost cause when it comes to you. No it's not literally free in every possible meaning. I never actually said it was nor did I think that. Your point?

 

I don't think his English is all that good rofl. Jk jk Pay attention man.

Should be quotes though, easier to grasp two lines.

Of course it isn't free, but higher taxes for over all better social plans is worth it. I'm socialist personally, and capitolism, only breeds greed and corruption in my eyes. Which in turn breeds more and more.

 

Socialism isn't any better then Capitalism. Neither is Capitalism any better then Socialism. They both have their faults. Socialism gives less freedom to the individual and gives the government more control over its people. Scratch that. Complete control. Which in turn leads to tyranny. Pure Capitalism does breed corruption and greed. Which is why a balance of both is the best solution, but this is easier said then done.

 

You're thinking communism.

 

I do not understand why the Americans don't want Obama's programme. He wants a certain coherence on this question. He want safety for a lot of Americans.

 

Wrong. When resources are owned by the public it means it is owned by the government. Which means the government has control over the peoople. When the government determines what resources go where. Who is going to stand against them? Same could be said with Capitalism. If businesses own the resources who's to keep them from overcharging. However if you make the two compete then you have a good system. A pure socialist country would not work. It would lead to tyranny, and that is just to dangerous. Especially in this era in history where a small population can control a larger one.

I'm fine with his program. I think it could be just what we need, and I hope it passes. I just think we should make sure that the health care system isn't under the governments complete control. I you would have to look very far to see how our government handles other socialized areas, and how badly they fail to operate them.

 

your talking about communism bub.

and socialism is in-between communism and capitalism.

 

Socialism is still based around where the people decide how to spend a nations resources. People in turn mean public and public in turn means the government. Which means it is the government which decides how to use a nations resources. Which means that it can dictate how people live their lives. Socialism is just a sugar coated version of Communism.

 

So what magical way do you propose where the government doesnt have control over anything and it isnt pure capitalism or anarchy?

(i dont want to sound pissed, so sorry for sarcasm)

 

As I stated above the best option is to have a mix of both Socialism and Capitalism. Finding the proper balance of both is the best solution as the corporations would be competing with the governments and with each other. While the government has to monitor the corporations to keep the voters happy. Of course this is easier said then done, but it sure beats a pure form of government any day.

 

Oh really, don't you think someone from the other end of the scale says the same thing only it's a suger coated version of capitolism? I bet someone on the other end could argue the exact same way as you are, only with different points and sound the exact same way.

No, it should be a mix of Communism and Capitalism, which is what Socialism is. Mix of Socialism and Capitalism to too far on one scale, it's like mixing yellow and red to make a norm ,but then saying, nah it's too yellow, lets mix it half and half with red again. What you get is too red in the end.

 

you realize that is exactly what the current health care reform is?
the corporations compete with the government and each other, while the government monitors the corporations to keep the voters happy.