US Healthcare Reform passes House.

discriminating against women?

If i were to decide, men could have all the abortions they could afford, but i think doctors would have a few issues with that.

And by disgusting and immoral you mean people who say 'Abortions are fine and stuff, but i prefer if you morons would actually use a condom if you were gonna get an abortion anyways?' None of the people here are actually against abortion, only against people who are stupid enough to not use a condom and then wanting to use the federal health care program to get rid of it.

 

That's exactly what I am talking about. You people are sick. Are you seriously suggesting that those women should have a child as a form of punishment for their mistake (and in some cases it was not even their mistake)? Do they have to face considerable financial charge as well as a moral stigma from the likes of you in addition to making a decision which is tough already without other people sticking their noses in it?
And again we have this arrogant suggestion that women use abortion instead of birth control. We all know that women are immoral heartless beings who would rather throw away the pills and have abortion every two months as long as it's on the states account right?

 

There are a lot of people stupid enough to use 'pulling out' as birth control. A morning after pill could have solved most stupid actions for somewhere between 10 and 70 dollars, but there are people who would rather take the chance of maybe not having a baby then take one of those pills, which turns out to be costing the state a lot more money. I am not suggesting they have a child, I am suggesting they do the smart thing and either get a condom or a morning after pill. I am advocating that people should decide whether they want a child or not, before deciding whether to to use a condom or not.
And in cases where it was not their mistake: see the rape exemption. I do believe there should be another exemption for defective or potentially defective fetusses though

 

Okay, this is not sex ed. Back on topic or it's locked.

 

from what i understand so far, a lot of things from the healthcare act aren't automatically renewed and will need a new discussion next term. I understand why this is necessary, but this way the discussion is never going to end.

 

I personally think this healthcare bill is a good idea, though I'm just waiting to see how the government screws it up. You can bet conservatives will try to mess with it somehow.

 

I heard this on the news on TV (in Australia). And they talked all about it and how it will affect the US people. And all I can say is:

"About ****ing time". I'm estatic this finally passed. And as Obama said it's not the be-all and end-all of health reform in the US. But it's a staart in the right direction. One I so think you need to take.

But I agree a fetus is not a child. Your birthday is liek I'm 25 years old for example. 25 years as a human being. 25 years since you were born. Not 25 years since you were conceived. Big difference. And that 9 moth difference I feel you are just a fetus. And sure if you want the US to be totally over populated go ahead and incorrectly call it a child when it isn't.

And I'm all for the government to get rid of the children from idiots not smart enough to use a condom, the pill and other methods of contraception. Sure it's a cost for the abortion. But the cost is way higher if that child was allowed to live. It has to eat for 80+ years, need housing, etc etc and will take up jobs that could have gone to other people. Sure it could get a good job and pay taxes but then soemone else equally qualified misses out on a job. So in my opinion the government should just pay for the abortion and save itself a lot of money in the long run.

Ok ok I'll get off my soap box. Anyways this bill passed is a start. Now I'm just hoping the US gonvernment is smart enough to make the rest fo the changes necessary to have a decently functioning healthcare system.

 

Speaking as a college student that voted for Obama, I am glad to see this got passed and if I had time I would love to go 4 rounds over it and abortion. But sadly I don't have the time and am still at war with my ISP, I will say this for the curious, I am as conservatives would say pro-death.

 

LK, did you also see the Pell Grant earmark? THey're giving more out, and special fees can't be charged on student loans.

 

I thought this was funny: http://i.imgur.com/590Ev.png

 

One of the things i dont like about the bill is that is forcing me to buy health care, what if i dont want it. I haven't gone to the doctor or hospital for a couple years now, but now im being forced to pay for something i don't want. I would be fine with it if you had a choice, however, i don't and if you will not buy it you'll be thrown in jail where you'll get free housing, meals, and healthcare. genius system huh.

 

Do you know how much you're paying? Do you?

It's one hell of a lot less than you'd pay if you broke your leg. Or got an infection. Or went grocery shopping.

 

yes if i'm getting my info right, about 200-250 dollars, but from this i realize that my taxes are going to go way up because we're now apart of a whole and have to try to keep this system running.

 

You pay all kind of pointless ****. Majority of Americans disagree with the war abroad and yet they all pay it from their taxes. I think helping to pay a collective health insurance is a much nicer thing to do.

 

actually, gforce, what you pay in taxes + medical insurance is more than what most other countries pay in taxes with nationalized health care.

sure, your taxes go up. but the mandatory amount of money you have to lose from your income is less. for some reason, if they call it "insurance" people are willing to throw away their money, but you call it "tax" suddenly it's ZOMG I'M NOT GOING TO PAY THAT.

 

Well said.

And to me it's not about you or I. It's about the whole of the USA. So the general living and tratment standard for everyone increases. That means less disease around, less death from poor people who can't afford to pay for operations, less sick days pulled by workers so the employers get a more productive worker etc etc. Sure an individual US person might not be affected too much by this bill but their country will benifit in the long run. And to me that's the most import thing.

As old JFK said

"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. "

I think that's ony of the best things said by any US person anywhere in any time. And it rings so true today just as much as when it was said.

 

Sorry, i love the living for a group mentality but i am looking out for me first and foremost. I plan to get a job as a paramedic and help people, to donate a lot to charity, to do a lot of public service and work (i already do some). However, i am selfish enough to want stuff benefiting me, and making me feel good. I want people to support and care for one another, but i've read on a few different sites (ones i linked in this thread previously) that it's not even going to cover all americans and it wasn't meant to.

and, as for us paying taxes for a war the majority of people don't want; billions of dollars go to pointless research or are 'lost' each year. so maybe you should start having issues for how much money suddenly 'dissapears' because then we could fund what we needed to. the fact is a lot of money goes towards something and of course not all americans agree with it, it's the way the world works, you can't please everyone. i think the biggest issue, and you cannot deny it, is that taxes will go up and no one needs that. the bill, in my mind, isn't going to help. but, i'm trying to give it the benefit of the doubt. however, i will say this is NOT a good time for it since we're still in a recession and recovering from quite a few different things. perhaps we should have waited a bit more for the US to get on its feet before thrusting up bills requiring us to give more money, eh?

 

The bill actually saves tremendous amount of money in the long-run. We are talking trillions out of the government deficit so I think that argument is null.

(Not the source I first got it from but it should do: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000846-503544.html)

 

i hope so. the last plans to save money, both democratic and republican have failed many a times. I can only hope this works, though, this is just theory. and theory=/=reality. just look at communism. also, that's one of the sites i linked before =P

 

I hope you're correct too Higgs. At least from what I've heard, many larger companies in the area kurai and I live have fired workers because they cant afford to pay all of them the mandatory healthcare the government is now saying they'll have to pay. Many, I've heard, had been firing people ever since this bill was proposed just in case it passed.

Then again, where I live has a large conservative population, so some of it could be incorrect/overstatements.