USA Anti-Rocket System in Europe

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USA Anti-Rocket System in Europe

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by TheWorker, May 30, 2008.

  1. furrer

    furrer New Member

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    @furrer - The US has only been doing this in Africa since 2002. 6 years is not enough time to see some really major results. Before that the US strategy concerning Africa, just like the strategy of everyone else in the world concerning Africa, was to generally just ignore them.

    Thats not right Paragon. A country like Denmark has been sending money to those countires in 30 years, and nothing has happened. The problem is their "democrazy", not the lack of money. And to think that something would change in 30 years is stupid, how long didnt it take Europa to become "good"?

    Edit: And if you are saying that only the USA can change something, then you are ignorant.
    And Paragon you are saying like: GM_k is evil etc. I am living in a capitalism country, and I have one advice for you, try to look with good eyes at the communism, and not just with you capitalism eyes.
     
  2. paragon

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    Just sending some countries money or even just sending them food is not going to change anything. And those are not the only things that the US is doing there as I have already said.

    Also you have to realize that even the United States was mostly rural 100 years ago. And most of the big infrastructure changes (like the highways and massive industry) only came about during World War II while the big modern tech changes (computers, cell phones, the internet) have only really changed everyday life in the last 20 years.

    These are not things that happen overnight but they are not going to take one hundred years if people start working towards real change today like the US is doing in the Horn of Africa. I'm not saying that the US is the only country that can change it. In fact many people in the US are selfish and only look inwards believing that they just have it sooo rough and complain about how the government both overtaxes them and doesn't provide enough solutions to social problems.

    What I am saying is that right now it is the US who is working towards really trying to improve conditions over there and being successful at it in many ways. It's just like the Bosnian and Kosovo Wars. Two wars of ethnic cleansing in their own backyard and Europe was not willing to take the lead. Instead, they called the US for help. And the US provided it.
     
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    Yes, but Im talking about making a good "democrazy" :), because that the key to all the other things. USA is made by europeans, so they already had the expierence. And Denmark didnt just send money, they tried and try to bring water to all villages etc. etc. etc. I have a Aunt in "Røde Kors" a very big organisation. And I could list up a 10 page long article about all the things they do etc. But the problem is the "democrazy", nothing else.

    I must agree that USA did great in Kosovo, while the european people did nothing. That was very selvfish IMO. But in Africa the situation is completly different. Perhaps the people in the villages want change, but the rich dont. I know this is a bad statement but: I dont think we will succes in Africa. I know its a great try etc. But all the money given in just the last 10 years was a very big sum, and Ive seen no change.

    The problem is the rich-people + the "democrazy". If some "good" people could take those place, then it would change. But look at all the african countires where it was tried, and no succes was shown....
    Its terrible....

    Do you agree with me that the "democrazy" is the problem in Africa or?
    And yes, Kosovo was really a typical sign of the european ignorance, but the Americans have it too!!!! :)

    Just so you know, I dont want a big discussen about this, because its one of those themes with hundreds of pages of nonsense :)

    Edit: IM GONNA KILL THOSE SMILYES
     
  4. KuraiKozo

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    for all you who think the US is doing it just to take over (i scanned sorry, if someone already said this okay)
    If the US wanted to take over all of europe then we could have done it already. We have the power and military necessary to take airplanes all over and bomb the hell outta everyone before a week is over. And no, if we hgave no warning, no one would retaliate. Let's face it, governments can be selfish and such, and maybe the
    US is doing that. And, I don't know if any of you have actually looked into it, but the missle silos are designed to blocl missles and only have a few things in their arsenal. If the US wanted to take over we would have put somethign better in there than a few missles and such to destroy other ones. So there. I'll add more later~
     
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    ijffdrie Lord of Spam

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    well, i dont think kosovo is a finished subject yet, i think the servs that live there are gonna cause some trouble yet. I think Kosovo individual isnt a good idea yet, and i think it is gonna go like Israël
     
  6. furrer

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    I dont think so ijffdrie. Israel was much worser, because it was people who hasnt lived there in 2000 years. That was also the first sign of a religion debat, terror etc.
    Israel was ten time worser, and still is.
     
  7. paragon

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    Yeah back between WW1 and WW2 when the Jews were pouring into Palestine the Jews were the ones labeled as terrorists. Which they were.

    As for democracy, the infrastructure and learning institutions have to come before there can be an effective democracy. And more importantly, it has to be their democracy. They have to pick their own leaders and create their own constitution and laws. With a more educated population they can more easily close the gap between the people and the elite. It should actually be easier to accomplish this in a developing country rather than in a developed country that is switching from some other government type to a democracy because the building of the infrastructure can create tons of jobs.

    In Africa, just like here, parents generally want their children to have a better life and get an education. There are tons of stories of African children walking many miles, sometimes without shoes, just to go to school. At the university I went to there were tons of people from Kenya, Nigeria, Senegal, Gambia, and other African countries. Many will be going back to those countries after they graduate or finish graduate school. And pretty much all of them are extremely hard working.
     
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    Yes but the problem is that you have a much stronger overclass then in europe (back in the days). That class controls all those aspects, and needs to be removed IMO.