What the hell is wrong with America

You have to understand the war between Palestinians and Israelis have been going for hundreds if not thousands of years. There has always been tensions between the two since the beginning of time going all the way back to the promised land. So you can't really blame either side for starting it. They may not always be in a state of war or conflict but are always pretty close.

Why is everyone getting pissed at Israel well because there are a lot more Muslims now then there are jews in that part of the world. Thats just how it is. You want to know why the more "radical" Muslims don't like the west? It's not because the US went into Iraq or anything it is because the west is not Muslim and that a lot of our freedoms and daily lives go against their very beleif systems. I mean they execute homosexuals when they are caught because they are considred evil and blasphmeous how do you think they view a society that actually accepts them? and that is just one example.

 

I know it isn't generally liked to just give links but i think this sums up the fundamental flaws in the formation of The State of Israel.

I agree that most of the worlds reactions are incredibly bias to one way or another. This is not an issue that can be fixed overnight, it is unlikely that a sastifying conclusion will ever be found and i think the power balance between those countries will have to be decided by military, rather than political means.

 

thanks overmind, and chef. i knew it had been going on, but i was pretty sure it was because they were just intolerant. Overmind, i'll check it out after school, i gotta trek it out of here in a few min.

 

Its wikipedia so don't expect anything special

 

i dont condone Israël for attacking Palestina, if i were them i wouldnt have done, but obviously i am not, and i can accept that they want safety


what i do condone is the way Israël is fighting the war, they destroyed what they declared as safe zones(the UN schools), ordered everyone to leave their house, but shot anyone who was on the streets, and they attacked a UN medicine transport


Israël vs. Palestina can not be solved through international means, but i think individual countries(not the UN) should press Israël for a different warstyle(Hamas too, but that uses citiziens as a shield so i doubt they would listen to citizien friendly arguements)

 

I oppose the state of Israel and Zionism; the only solution would be ONE ONLY Palestinian state from the river to the sea. The one time both groups lived in peace was during the British mandate there and before, so the ''thousands of years of hostility'' is bull**** lie. I don't support HAMAS either, a reactionary nationalist group, but it is an understandable responce to Zionism which was bound to come, just like insurgent groups in Iraq and so on, they all have the same roots. Israel's actions mount to genocide and it must be stopped. Such a responce to a petty homemade rocket attack (a response to the complete blockade of Gaza, leading to starvation) has no excuse and is pretty pathetic in itself. Over 200 of those who died were children. Easy to say, no one really cares at all for the Palestinians.

 

Do not be a victim of the mainstream media!

So what if those "supposed" safe zones were being used by Terrorists and that there is aerial surveillance footage of those "poor and innocent" civilians launching mortars and firing at Israeli troops from within those buildings. Israel dropped leaflets telling people to leave their homes or face imminent danger but did they listen? They just moved onto the house next door. It should also be known that Israel issued a decree that anyone harboring terrorists would be considered terrorists themselves.

Where is the proof that they just shot anyone on the streets? If that were true, the mainstream media would have been booming with footage of explosions all over the streets because if an Israeli soldier can shoot at "innocent" civilians then why can't an IAF pilot bomb them?

There is proof that some of these supposed humanitarian aid transports do not bring anything humanitarian. They deliver fertilizer (which is used in their creation of Qassam rockets) and weapons.

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I am actually quite disgusted with that statement Light. You do know that Palestine was not originally owned by Arabs but was controlled by the Turks for nearly 400 years right? European powers created Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, and Israel out of the ruins of the Ottoman Empire. When Israel was created in 1948, the words "Palestine" and "Palestinian" did not refer to an Arab people or nation. In fact, Palestine is a word derived from "Philistine" which we all know refers to an Aegean people (The Greeks)

Reactionary nationalist group?! With that kind of thinking, Israel has every right to exist! The Holocaust caused great suffering and killed 5.9 million Jews. So do you think the wall around Gaza is to deprive them? False! That wall was erected to prevent terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians and it has proven mighty effective, halting 90% of all terrorist attacks. Please define genocide for me and tell me, please tell me that what Hamas is doing. Israel has stated time and time that it will not tolerate the attacks, it was Hamas who ended the cease-fire. It was Hamas who are killing their own civilians. It is Hamas who wishes nothing but the complete control of the people of Palestine. They want a true, Shariah law (radical) abiding Islamic state.




The solution is simple: Accept the state of Israel! Israel is only one-sixth of one percent of the Middle Eastern land mass. What have they got to lose?

 

That our views are radically different, well, that is only natural.

Really, they built a -wall- to enclose the people of Gaza. Then they restrict all movement out of Gaza except for those with a foreign passport. They refuse to let in much-needed supplies. Its like a -concentration camp- in itself. And then, you consider HAMAS rocket fire to be a ''terrorist'' attack, meaning that this is nothing but collective punishment. Genocide is the systematic killing of a group of people based on their ethnic or religious background. 6 million jewish people died in the Holocaust, its a fact. But also explain to me how Holocaust survivors are now condemning the state of Israel? That is what has been happening to the Palestinians ever since the new Israel was created and all the settlers started arriving. Zionism does not want any Palestinians, they just want their land. They're just a problem, nothing more. HAMAS rocket fire killed 1 Israeli. That is no genocide. The Israelis have killed 900 just in this attack against one of the most densely populated places on the planet, made up of almost only Palestinians.

The palestinians have lost everything already, so of course, they got nothing to lose anymore. I cannot, nor will I ever accept Israel when such things happen. And once again, your cartoon doesnt make sense. Nobody cares about the Palestinians. They can only help themselves in any way they can. From the river to the sea, it's the only way.

 

It seems that your view is blinded by an apparent hatred for Israel.

Do you remember when the Gaza strip and West Bank had Israeli settlements there? The Israeli's evicted their own people to give back land to the "Palestinians" Also that security fence you claim to imprison the people of Palestine was never built to keep Palestinians in, it was built to keep Palestinian terrorists out. That small segment of concrete wall prevents snipers from taking out Israeli civilians. That in itself is a humanitarian structure that has saved countless lives.

So you would not consider random rocketing and mortar attacks acts of terror? Hamas is zeroing their attacks using the media to see the results. Sooner or later, those attacks will be hitting their marks. Hamas was the one who started rocketing Israel without any conditions but the hatred that they were born and raised into. When will you wake up and realize that once Hamas or any other terrorist organization gets a hold of bigger weapons, they will use it with prejudice. The Hamas tactic of firing rockets from schools, hospitals and mosques dates back to 2005, when Israel ended its occupation of Gaza.

According to you, it is completely justifiable to launch rockets and mortars into any town. Well why not try rocketing your neighbors house and see what happens... Let me know the results!

Also the rocket fire killed five people the last time I checked. Please keep in mind that Hamas has strategically placed it's buildings in civilian centers and hide behind innocent civilians. Look at their leaders! They went into hiding a few days before Operation Cast Lead. That says a lot!

If Israel is an apartheid state then why does more than one million Arabs, Druze, and other groups living in Israel enjoy the benefits and equal rights of the only free and democratic society in the Middle East.

According to you, Israel has occupied Arab land in order to colonize it. A false statement because every single inch of territory occupied by Israel was first used by Arab states to stage wars of aggression. The stated goal of those wars were the very destruction of Israel and the Jewish people. In 1948, 1967, 1973, 2001, 2006, and 2008.

Palestinians have not lost everything, they have only lost themselves to hatred. They continue to keep themselves in their current state when they have the chance to improve. Fatah vs. Hamas? The violent overthrowing of the PA? Peace. Sure. When the moderate Muslims rise up against the radical, then there will be change.

“We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us” --Golda Meir

 

Light, it seems you have a very bias and closed minded view on the subject. For the record I don't support either side. The hundreds of years of tensions is not a lie at all and I never said they were constantly at war or conflict. They indeed had times of cease fire and peace many many times but the tensions still existed.

Assuming it is all one sides fault and blaming them is not gonna change anything. Also please don't call other peoples opinions "lies and bull****".

 

leaving the general conflict alone, this specific attack from Israel is futile, Hamas doesnt appear(at least not to me) to care abou the population and it is so easy to fire a rocket at Israël, that by just attacking Palestina, and closing some supply lines, nothing can be solved



( i might explain this further if i am bored)

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5447590.ece

hmm, i wonder why this never appeared in the US news. i don't side with either, really. because both have their bad points, both want to kill each other, and bot are filled with evil people who want nothing more than war. and there are no doubt innocents in both areas. but this, even if gaza started firing rockets, is unacceptable.

 

Until people stop talking about it in forums and actually get off their ass and become the change they would like to see, nothing gets done. World leaders are happy when we are debating amongst each other and not realizing we control things, not them. This pyramid structured society only works when there is illusion i.e. fear and ignorance.

 

i would do something if i could. i don't think the government would listen to a lone girl with angry rants about unfairness or inequality. and, i've tried telling people about it, people blow it off and laugh at it. in my government class, everyone said i was insane for saying anything got dumped on gaza and if it did, why wasn't it in the news? that's the reality of all this. and some people said 'who cares?' they think it doesn't affect them cuz they're not there, and that the government will solve anything. they're too narrow minded, selfish, and ignorant to care.

 

simply put:


Our countries prime minister supports Israël
80% of our country hates our prime minister



also
pro-Isräel: they are protecting the safety of their people
anti-Israël: they are slaughtering innocent civilians
anti-Hamas: they are killing and terrorizing civilians
pro-Hamas: they want the holy land back that was stolen from them to give to someone else for a war they didnt wrong in




take your pick