Which religion are you?

Sure, but the only reason we're at 16 tame pages already is because half the posts are "Oh God, I religion thread. This won't end well." or "I can't believe noone has castrated anyone else yet!" ;D

 

I don't think it's as much as half, well maybe if you count posts explaining what this thread is about too...

 

Lol BirdOfPrey instead of bitching about 'when this thread is gonna turn dark-side' why don't you actually make some constructive posts which fit the topic? And I'm actually enjoying these serious discussions, if you can't handle serious discussion maybe you should go to a different thread, instead of whining to have this one locked.

Lol "privateparts is using this thread to attack everyone" your such an exxagerator haha you gotta think more before you post.

 

Dissapointed the thread at one point descended into talking about power downs and banning. Power downs should be a private thing there's no need to talk about it, and banning is really for the mods.

Absolutely but that is the reason why I disagreed with your post about teaching anything else to children is not truth. It *might* be as there is always room for doubt, same with science as with religion.

Disagree avidly. The job of all scientists and religionists and philosophers is to re-examine all that has gone before. You are a scientist but believe it is foolhardy to disagree with the previous work of top scientific minds? I would suggest you are following your own religion (which I nevertheless respect), as disagreeing with things in order to examine them objectively is almost science in a nutshell, whereas almost blind faith without willingness to re-examine core ideas could be said to be religion in a nutshell.

It surprises me to come to this realisation but I think Joneagle_X is the most religious person on this thread despite being not a follower of a religion (correct if wrong) ;D


Apologies couldn't find the source on the Grand Unified Theory of Everything, however I remember it was a physics theory and revolved around a set of equations. Can you ask a Physics major? They might recall the theory....

Woah there, even google is not that good!

 

It is foolhardy to disagree with top scientific minds when they have, as Jon put it, "so much evidence behind them." It's not blind faith, or even 'almost' blind faith. It's a comprehension and understanding of their ideas and the ways in which they proved them.
Your method seems to imply that we shouldn't believe anything until we've proven it for ourselves. Doesn't that seem a tad melodramatic? I shouldn't believe the sun is hot, because I haven't objectively analyzed it of my own accord?

 

Bit of a role reversal there, I was originally implying Jon Eagle was overly reliant on proof for postulates. My earlier comment on this thread about knowing Antarctica exists without having to go there is the same as yours about the sun.

I was trying to say that some posters were requiring a certain level of burden of proof from religion, whilst giving almost blind faith to certain aspects of science, expressed by saying science should be taught to children as anything else would not be "truth".

EDIT: Ah I think I get what Bizarro and Jon Eagle are saying (correct if wrong). I agree that it is foolhardy to disagree with the top scientific minds in the application of their great work, e.g. "I'm going to pretend paracetamol doesn't work because I didn't do the research myself" would be irrational and foolhardy but "I'm going to question if paracetamol is the best way to treat a headache" I think is the kind of thinking we should all do in our daily lives.

 

Quick question:
Is god able to create a rock so big, that even he cannot lift it?

 

When you consider that God is the rock as well the entity lifting it according to some religions, it makes answering that question a bit difficult.

 

I know, what if the rock is god, can he lift himself.

 

If he wanted if lifted the universe would be re-created in an instant to include the fact that it had already been lifted, rather than to actually lift it per se

 

But that's not actually lifting the rock... That's finding a way in order to make it look as though he has already lifted it. What's the stuff about the rock actually being god? I'm just asking if he can create something so heavy he can't lift it. It would also apply to stuff like, creating a meal so big he can't finish it, throwing an object so fast that he can't catch it, and making an object so unbendable that ever he can't bend it.

 

I think it's more that the English language is insufficient to fully discuss the concept of omnipotence, rather than that God can or cannot do things like that

 

Why is the English language insufficient at defining 'omnipotent'? The Macquarie Dictionary defines 'omnipotent' as 'almighty, or infinite in power, as God or a deity'. So, if god is able create us, then I'm sure god can create a big rock, and if god is omnipotent (infinite in power), then god should be able to lift anything. Thus, (bringing the two together) is god able to create a rock so heavy that even god cannot lift it? I guess you could argue what the people who wrote the bible meant by omnipotent, but you can't say that the English language is insufficient to fully discuss the concept of omnipotence, because it is sufficient.

 

Why are you asking people that question. No one here has any idea how strong god is. Any answer you get would be 100% speculation.

 

I don't think English (to be fair this means my ability to use it) is sufficient to fully discuss the concept of omnipotence. I think this is borne out by your question about the rock. Omnipotence means all powerful but you can construct a sentence in English that makes the idea of omnipotence seem impossible, e.g:-

EDIT: privateparts, the nature of this entire thread is 100% speculation

 

This is what I am trying to say. Omnipotence is impossible. I'm just curious about how the people who believe that their god is omnipotent will answer this question.

 

Nah I would say there is more hypothesis then inference going on in here.

 

That is what I was answering with my post. I believe in an omnipotent God, and my answer to your question is that omnipotence is possible, it's just the question is unanswerable because it is just a quirk of the language used not an actual philosophical conundrum. Sorry i'm finding this difficult to explain properly.

 

So, by 'omnipotent', do you mean that god is able to do anything? Or do you just mean that god is the highest level of authority?

 

Omnipotent and Omniscient. All powerful and all seeing / knowing.