Which religion are you?

Omnipotence just means all powerful. It does not mean that you can do something that contradicts itself. Is god able to create a rock so heavy that he, himself, cannot ever be able to lift it. The point I am trying to make is that this is completely impossible, so god cannot be all powerful. God can either lift it, or he can't. If he can, then there is a limit to what he can make or his power, and if he can't then there is a limit to his strength.

 

Like, woah! Sounds amazing, now I can't wait till 2012 even more ^_^
privateparts you deserve bashing for this wall of text owerdown: for you

 

gotta agree with Bizarro here, the nature of the Judeo-Christian God is such that he is somewhat beyond our complete comprehension...

one established concept of this God is that he is eternal - no beginning, no end. Well, obviously that blows the mind trying to comprehend. Secondly, another established concept of him is that he created other distinct and seperate entities. That should also blow the mind if you think about it. Thirdly, the answer to your question is just as Bizarro said, it doesn't make sense to us... but the way it is.

The nature of the Judeo-Christian God is that he changes reality with thought. He speaks, and things happen, etc...

So yeah, he can make a rock that he himself cannot pick up. And then he can change the fabric of the universe and pick it up.

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Although, there are a few things he says he can't do... namely die, and lie.

 

Thank you meee, yeh 2012 is gonna be pretty intense!

 

I understand what you're saying. It's funny, I bring this up with a lot of my christian friends, and none of them ever give a yes or no answer. I just find it interesting how people will interpret their own god. As you know, I'm an Atheist to the end, but a juicy owerup: to Bizarro_Paragon and NateSMZ. You're both good arguers.

 

wordems... most people - and this includes all faiths - don't really think about whatever it is they believe in - which is sad, because faith is not opposed to reason... rather the two are closely tied. often ppl seem to think faith defies reason, so they don't see the need to examine their beliefs... even atheism is a type of faith methinks - of course, I can understand why somebody would find it hard to believe in a god

I was raised christian, although I might label myself agnostic at the present... my outlook on religion changed a good deal recently, but that's a whole nother story

 

Atheism, to me, is definitely a type of faith, and it is true that a lot of people don't really think about what it is that they believe in, but instead just take it as some sort of fact about themselves. Also, Atheism isn't that Atheists find it hard to believe in a god, nor is it that they are not sure if there is a god. Atheists believe that there actually is no god or god-like deity. You're right that a person's upbringing is directly impacted on by their parents religion or their environments religion. Of my whole fathers side, my father is the only one who is not a devout christian, and this has obviously effected my views, just as everybody else's parents would effect their own views. The thing that I find hard to believe (and probably that most Atheists find hard to believe) is that people believe that there is a magical, and super powerful being who is constantly watching over us. This, to me, just does not seem logical at all, and I feel that religion is just a way of making people feel better about dying. In my opinion, and I emphasize this as being my opinion and that I am not trying to inflict it upon anyone else, is that if there is a god, then he or she is either extremely evil and cruel, or just doesn't give a damn about mankind. The world is in fairly good shape at the moment, but there are still a whole lot of things going on that are just awful. People are starving/homeless/suffering from terrible diseases/etc, and nothing is done about it. Even if the real god did just show himself to prove which religion is correct, then I believe that the world would be a better place, and that a heck of a lot of disputes would be settled.

 

Maybe god has big plans and things like hunger, unhappiness etc. are just a means to an end. Maybe he is helping us in a way we cannot comprehend yet.

 

or maybe not, who knows

 

LOL! I like iffdries suggestion more...

 

Agnostic. Religion is manipulation...

 

No, religion just is a way for people to live a moral life, in their eyes, and to have a reason for doing so.

 

just to throw it out there,...

im not religious.

I dont rule out the possibility there could be a god, i dont rule out the possibility of spirits living on, but i also dont rule out the posiblity that dead meat is simply dead meat.

I wouldnt consider myself athiest though, i dont really care for labels... but i was wondering if there is such a term for my position??

I do own a nice gold cross necklace though, my aunt is fairly wealthy, lives in indonesia. She gave it to me as a gift. I like it, and i wear it quite often. Its no reflection on my beliefs however, for me, its just jewlrey.

But yeah, as for my question. Anyone?

 

Agnostic. In latin, the 'a' prefix means a negative. As in something that is amoral.

Gnosis in latin loosely translates to 'knowledge.' So Agnostic would translate to "I don't know." Your position of not believing anything in specific but keeping an open mind is classified as agnostic, and is fairly popular nowadays actually.

 

so you're a agnostic?

edit: damn bizzaro posted it already ^_^

 

too bad marineCorp, he beat you by 23 seconds, lol. Now I know exactly what agnostic means. Thx, bizarro

 

You know me, Eon. I'm just a fountain of useless knowledge. My Humanities teacher always told me that all the Liberal Arts program was good for was to prepare you for conversations. Apparently it worked. I'm dirt poor, but it worked.

 

ah, well i guess i would be agnostic.

yeah... well. there's alot of religion throughout my family, not all the same one by the way... and i also have alot of close friends who are this n'that

to me... it just seems that this god / after death business is just... well,... out of our league.

A fly that dies stuck in the case over your ceiling light, can not begin to comprehend why its dying, where it is, what the light is, the fact its in a house, bla bla bla...

A clever little bird that figures out how to open the bird cage latch itselft, cant figure out how that cage was made, what the food is made out of that it eats, ra ra ra...

And we're no different. Hell once upon a time we KNEW that the world was flat. Now we know we were wrong.

It just seems to me, that these greater things are just too far beyond our comprehension, the same way a fly cant comprehend what the hell is goin on around it the way we understand it.

I think the pursuit, the exploration, the wonder,... of all this is great.

But i feel that people settin their beleifs, as true, is kind of stubborn.

I have a bunch of other ideas floating around, my own ideas and adopted ideas, that i dont stand by, they arent beliefs, but they're intresting various sides to a greater debate.

We're only human, we can't know everything. ]

Thats just how i see it.

 

Ah, but how did we determine that the world was indeed round? We studied it, created theories, hypothesized and speculated. We did the same things we now do here. Perhaps in doing so, we can enlighten future generations where we our eyes have been closed.

Don't take my words the wrong way, incidentally. Your stance is a just and sensible one to take. But I assume if you're in this thread, it's because you want to think. So I'm going to make you do so. :good:

 

now its time for me to add a odd fact, 20% of americans beleive that the sun orbits the earth.

back to topic yeah, i know what it is like when famlies members that live in the same house have different religion. my mother is pathism and my sister is wicca.