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Which religion are you?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by TerranGod, Oct 15, 2007.

Which religion are you?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by TerranGod, Oct 15, 2007.

  1. marinefreak

    marinefreak New Member

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    I don't see how that makes sense. I'm an agnostic and I don't think "which team will play out better for me" I think the rejection of anything like a god goes against human nature. Of course all organised religions are wrong since there’s hard evidence that they developed from basic human culture and history. But there is nothing to disprove the existence of a god. This isn't fence sitting as you are accepting that no human can have total faith in any belief. Atheists surely question themselves sometimes as does a Christian, Muslim etc. I question being an agnostic but I think agnostic most clearly explains this doubt.

    An afterlife is possible in the same way jelly babies controlling our minds from the middle of our eyes in a different dimension is possible in the same way god existing is possible or anything like that.

    I think this logic comes about through reasoning. I guess a different person saying they are agnostic will tell you that they aren't sure yet or I sure hope those Christians are correct a week before they convert but my interpretation of agnosticism and the title I place upon myself is being a human and someone who doesn't want to force a stance which doesn't have complete reasoning behind it.

    Dawkins has mentioned before how we all are indeed agnostics to some degree. His militant athieism is a product of him combating organised religion as a visage of total belief helps people believe him.
     
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    I only can repeat, Albert Einstein: "I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - this is a somewhat new kind of religion."
     
  3. does Capitalism count?

    contemplating either pastafarian or jedi (in the uk it's considered a real religion).
     
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    Baseball
     
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    Wow, this thread has so many pages! Who would have known that religion makes the best topic for talk.
     
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    I believe in humanity.
     
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    I believe in intellegent design i mean if you look at the whole universe there is no other way.... just my thoughts no flames =)
     
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    No flaming in front of a creationist? Damn that's one heck of a challenge.
     
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    Was an atheist and now christian,

    most people think judaism christianity and islam are alike, but they are completely different, for ex, the muslim savior(mahadi) is the chrstian antichrist=P~~
     
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    A muslim since I was born. I believe that there is something bigger than what human logic can interpret. :)
     
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    I still see no reason to join a religion. The explanations religions usually have, are as good as the scientific counterparts.

    Again, I can only repeat a famous person...

    Bill Gates in 1997: "Just in terms of allocation of time resources, religion is not very efficient. There is a lot more I could be doing on a Sunday morning."

    ... and that dude is damn right. :D
     
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    Scientific explenations are superior to the religious ones because they are demonstrably true.
     
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    It was Dr. Joseph Murphy who showed that so called miracles, which religious people believe to be brought forth by their God, actually have their origin in the believer's subconscious mind. Dr. Joseph Murphy investigated in his book: "The Powers of your Subconscious Mind", many men and women who received miraculous healing, for example. But it wasn't for the power of the Gods but for the power of the subconscious mind that those people suddenly were healed again were doctors failed before.

    Dr. Murphy wrote in his book about a man who was very ill and the doctors couldn't help. That man had a deep believe in God. So, his son decided to cure his father with the help of his own believe. The son of that old man picked up a piece of wood from the side of a street, brought that piece of wood to a jeweler to make it look like a piece of the true cross of Jesus Christ. Then the son went to his father and told him that he met a wandering monk. Told him that the monk sold him that piece for a great amount of money and that it has healing powers. Of course that piece of wood was just a normal piece of wood, but he old man didn't know. He really believed that it was a part of the cross of Jesus Christ. And so the old man literally snatched it out of his son's hand. Pressed it to his chest, prayed and went to sleep. Next day the old man was healed.

    What happened? The truth is that it wasn't God or the fake piece of the cross that healed him, it was the old man's own subconscious mind. The son never told his old father how he tricked him. And the old man lived many ears more.

    There are many more such stories, I can really only recommend Dr. Murphy's book. The titles is: "The Power of your Subconscious Mind", he shows clearly were all that power which believers credit their gods with, really comes from.
     
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    lol at the 61 pages, atheist ftw
     
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    Well, in the far past the church was the center of the universe. Now it is science. What does religion? What does science? Science shoots rockets into space and manufactures computer systems, while religions just linger and hope for a miracle which probably never will occur.

    I'm not an expert of the future, but I wouldn't wonder if religions will disappear in the far future. Or at least those who go to church, will have a very bad reputation.

    One once said, that religion should be kept, to maintain a healthy level of morality. But I'm sure any real smart scientist or scientific person knows already, that a good level of morality is required in order to succeed in the first place. Still no need for religion.
     
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    ijffdrie Lord of Spam

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    I don't believe that religion will ever fade.

    I think the writer of Schlock Mercenary says it best. Let's for a second assume one of the most negative possible views of religion(which is not neccesarily correct, I myself do not believe it) namely that it is for the naive and foolishly optimistic. Now as science branches out more in all directions, do you really think that there will be no naive or foolishly optimistic people anymore? That everyone will bother to learn all the 'universal truths' that science reveals? That no one in the future will be foolishly optimistic or naive anymore?
    If your answer is yes, I call you foolishly optimistic btw.

    And all that is assuming a view of religion which is not at all per se correct.
     
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    I don't think that religion is for only the naive and optimistic. Many of the worlds great scientists went home after work and prayed to God. I know in my faith we are asked to look at all truths as the nature of God. Any scientific fact or any new revelation of the Church are seen on a similar playing field. So many are asked to peruse higher education to broaden their views on the world.

    Oh, BTW I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (most of you know them as Mormons)
     
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    @ijff: Religion may never go extinct but I am confident that in due time it will take the back seat in society like it already did to large extent in most of Europe. As Hitchens once said to Dawkins even if he managed to persuade every person in the world that god is a failed hypothesis but one he would not be able to get rid of the last one. He just wouldn't be able to. Not only because then he would have nobody to argue with.
     
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    That's true, there are scientists who do believe in God. But what is praying? I don't know how a believer would describe praying. But I know how Dr. Joseph Murphy would describe his scientific prayers. And that scientific prayers are for everybody and don't include a God.

    Now unlike the praying to God, Murphy's scientific prayer addresses the subconscious mind of the prayer. Dr. Joseph Murphy found that the subconscious mind is sensitive to suggestions, and no matter what is being suggested to the subconscious mind, comes to pass. And make no mistake, the powers of the subconscious mind are amazing.

    For example, Dr. Joseph Murphy himself had a skin disease once. I'm afraid I forgot which one it was, but I do know that even the finest doctors couldn't help him. Then Dr. Murphy got told that like the subconscious mind operates the human body, created it, it can also heal it. With that in mind he formed a scientific prayer and repeated it every day. Many weeks later he was healed.

    So why giving my life away to God, if I could use scientific prayers to achieve the same if not even more? And after all, it is again the subconscious mind, which is a proven fact rather something uncertain like a God. Praying is important and praying the scientific way, so to the subconscious rather than a God, will also be more effective and true.

    Again, no need for religions.