zerg swarm vs borg collective

Cylons? >_>

 

never watched battlestar galactica



borg vs daleks(lets say, the fleet of the Dalek King), now that would be interesting, especially seeing as an assimilated Dalek wouldnt be noticably stronger then a normal Dalek

 

Dalek?

Cylons are basically half humanoid robots. They have tech equal to, lets say the Asgard -but less powerfull weapons- and can revive their bodies on special ships, which are heavily guarded. Their normal fighters are in the hundreds per ship, and they all carry heavy nukes. They also have a strange emp device that cripples electrical systems, and even completely fries small craft. Pretty powerfull, eh?

 

lol yes they suck but the starship 'garrisons' are meant to be relatively adept at what they do, iirc.

Yes, 4 star destroyers should turn a battle, they are capital ships. The enourmous numbers fit when you regard the immense space they are keeping order in, you wouldn't see numbers in relation to the huge imperial navy and industrial capabilities in many battles, just like the borg wouldn't devote the trillions of drones to a single engagement (although you never know with the borg...), the sheer scale is more indicative of what they can lose than what they field for both sides.

Daleks would own. and that's not taking time or extra dimensional travel into it xD

 

Again: never heard of them. Gib link plztnx.

About the number of ships: the Borg devote the precice amount they think is needed. If they think 2000 cubes are needed, then they will warp in freaking 2000 cubes. No way the empire ever has more, the Borg forces are just about endless. You should ask yourself: would the empire be able to defend themselves indefinitely, or not?

 

Daleks own.

As you said 'the Borg devote the precise amount they think is needed' that's why battles pitting those insane numbers wouldn't occur, because there wouldn't be such a high concentration of defenses for the borg to necessitate such a huge force, a massive grouping of ships for long enough to draw borg attention and allow a force that big to gather and attack would be imperial suicide, a possible exception being the empire building a borg killing super weapon and trying to pull off a fleet crushing move like it tried in ROTJ, but that would obviously have some nasty suprises.

The borg control what? tens of thousands of worlds? The Empire has millions of inhabited systems? I doubt the borg have as much of a numerical advantage, if any, as you say, less so in industrial capability (building most of a moon sized battle station and keeping it hidden is no small feat).

If the imperials deploy a kind of scorched earth tactic to deny the borg of assimilation targets on lost worlds and hyperspace is that much faster than even transwarp travel based on comparisons of canon, then yes, i do believe the empire could win a war of attrition against the borg.

 

It really depends on the borg numbers, the number of cubes has been really unclear througout the series, though i'd be surprised if it was higher then 100000

 

They cotrol the entire Delta piece of the Star Trek universe, iirc. That has an insane number of galaxies in it. The single galaxy of the Empire is laughable.

By the way, the SW galaxy has had their ass kicked before. Juzhan Vong, anyone? They could have beaten them with ease, especially since they were largely unaffected by the force. -they lost their connection when their homeworld was lost-

 

A couple things on the bits and pieces of arguments, while I have never watched BSG I seriously doubt any race is close to the technological level of the Asgard. Think about it, the only two races more advanced than them in all of the races we have been talking about are the Ancients and the Protoss.

Also, as for the piece on Ori power sources the prophets (or whatever they were called) got their power from their from own genetic advancement and not the Ori (the Ori weren't big on sharing power). Also, in one episode SG-1 finds the reactor in one of the Ori ships, and nearly learn how to pilot one with a Prophet, so they must not be powered by the pilot.

Back to the disscussion on the empire though. We are starting to see what I hate most about comparing accross universes. Technology is really easy to compare, but the different fleets sizes to go with those various technology levels is just insane. The Borg are a perfect example in my opinion, in all of the Star Trek episodes and movies I can remember, the Federation was never engaged by more than one Borg ship. But we are talking about their being tousands of them, thats just nuts in my opinion.

 

actually, the delta quadrant is part of a single galaxy, not of the universe, and empire control most of their galaxy, except some of the arms,

Force doesnt matter in Borg vs Empire though, seeing as the Empire only had a few sith.

 

Um this may be off topic but I just have to ask. Do the borg die of old age? I know they are cyborgs, but that means they are only part machine.

 

well, seeing as they have assimilated several very long lived species, Borg lifespan is quite long

my guess is when the reach old age, the queen just sends to attack someone, so their deaths will give a chance for new drones

 

How does the queen get replaced then?

@LordKerwyn

Erm, no.
Ori power cores are assumed to be powered by Ori. Also, You can see that only Priors can start up the core, which means that their staffs are needed, which are powered by Ori belief drain power.

As for Stargate series races that surpass the Asgard -and are still alive, sort of-
The Nox and The Furlings.

The first race has near ascended powers while mortal, and the second one created the Touchstone -terraforms planets that support no life-. So.

 

You might want to recheck your links. On the Ori core link the only thing that is said is that there is fan speculation that the Ori reactor draws power from other planes, but there is no canon information one way or another. However, one repeated theme is that the Ori do not share power, so it is logical to assume the reactors don't draw power from them. Also, since the Ancients exist on a similar plane as the Ori they would be affected by reactors, probably not enough to kill any of them but enough to probably prevent their use. As for the priors there power comes from their extremely advanced brains and thelekinetic abilities and not the Ori. Remember Jackson being turned into a Prior? If the Priors actual power came from the Ori they would have likely noticed when Jackson became one and prevented him from wielding their powers. Also, if the power the came directly from the Ori the Ancients would have prevented their use in the Milky Way.

As far as the Nox and Furlings go, the Nox are obviously just advanced Humans but there is nothign to suggest that there technology is anywhere close to the Asgaard's. As for the Furslings, the only thing that is known about there technology is the Touchstone, whos effects could be reproduced any number of ways by the Asgard.

 

nothing to suggest the Nox were as advanced? nox just human?

one: since the humans werent part of the original alliance, the nox werent human

two: remember the teleportation? remote-control of the stargate? ressurecting the dead? the very big flying city? the making stuff invisible with waving hands? the ability to learn languages in a matter of minutes? Building their own stargate? Communicating with the Tollan communicator?

It is very unclear if the nox were technologically powered(the looks of their city suggested this), spiritually powered(seems more in line with the nox we have seen) or a combination.

@Aurora, it was never stated if the furlings created the touchstone, its just fan speculation(Just like Cassandra's device in the future)
suggested Furling races:
the spirits
crystal skull aliens
the energy crystals
Gadmeer


i am a big Nox fan(and alliance of 4 in general, i am not much a fan of the ancients getting all the attention)

 

Who else could have created the touchstone? You can see that the device was made in a way that it needs some sort of hands to control it. The suggested races lack this aspect a bit. Also, they were suggested as possible alternatives. Just in case that the furlings were already revealed, but not recognized. And I like the 4 race aliance as well. Did you read the article on heliopolis? Quite interesting. Tollan kick ass too.

 

By the way, the asgard reproducing furling tech, and that as a way to show asgard were just as advanced: lame. Goa'uld tech was mostly copied ancient tech. That way, you could also say that they were just as advanced as the great 4 races, just because they were able to replicate some stuff. And the furlings and nox were in the great 4 for a reason: they were the most advanced.

Also, the ancients were created the stargates, but the nox perfected them. They managed to remove the kawoosh effect. The asgard later copied that from them. Since the nox are older and more advanced by themselves. Asgards were once humans, they got this advanced by deciphering parts of the ancient knowledge databases. The nox, and possibly furlings discovered most stuff on their own.

 

I am right about the Ori, but I may have to grant you guys the argument on the Nox. I will point out this though, Aurora I didn't say the Asgard would copy the touchstone, I said they could reproduce its effects with their own methods. I imagine if they modified their beaming technology they could reproduce its effects very easily. As for the Nox though, the Ancients were deffinetly around before them and alot of Nox technology could simply be modified ancient tech (the cloaking really comes to mind here, also the Stargates are Ancient tech so any thing involving them is just improving on their original design). Also, the Nox look far to human to not be some kind of human derivative especially if humans had been around long to eventually turn into the Asgard.

A lot of Nox tech looks like it could simply be modified Ancient tech, which means the only real difference bewteen them and the Asgard is we know the Asgard used modified Ancient tech while we are unsure of the Nox. Also, while there doesn't appear to be anything exceptionally unique about Nox tech the Asgard did develope the beaming technology which is obviously extremely powerful and different from Ancient tech. Hence, I give the technological edge to the Asgard.

Finally, if it isn't obvious, I am for the record an Asgard fan.

 

Lol, I like the Asgard as well, and you are right about all but one thing: the Nox cloacked stuff with their mind. Their floating city is suggested to be cloacked by a device. If you only follow canon, then there should be a Nox cloacking the city all day. Hence the sugestion they use tech for that. xD

Still, the Nox were part of the first evolution of humans in the Milky Way galaxy. They joined the great 4 when the Ancients -or possibly Furlings- started it. Other humans are seeded by the Dakara Device around the great plague.
I am not sure, but I assume the Nox were pretty old. Especially if you look at how close to ascencion they already were.

 

Erm, aurora, you are kind of mixing canon and fan speculation there. Or, rather, everywhere

big chance of that

Aurora is talking about the weather device from season 3, not the teleportation thing from season 6

good points, but as i see it, improving on a design, at least on this level of improvement, is being more advanced.
Teleportation: nox didnt require giant transmitting circle or receiving circle, and could control the targets with their mind
Flying city: there is a good reason Atlantis isnt flying all the time(though possibly its just because the nox city works with repulsors and the City-ships work with a normal engine)
ressurecting the dead: You remember that device that turned people into zombies? Yeah, i didnt notice the nox version doing that
Invisibility: no need to attach a device to the target,
stargate: about the same

actually, the asgard originally were a humanoid species that looked unbelievably much like humans, but they were not, in fact, humans

We know that a few of the asgard items are indeed ripped of ancient technology, though the extent of this is quite unclear.
Also: alliance of 4 GREAT races. I somehow have doubts that the ancients would let in people with a low level of technology(especially concidering how the asgard treated people with low-tech and how the ancients had the game(not really a game, but they essentially also pretended to be gods to a medieval society))

Both the ancient and the asgard policy on technology seems to be: use to protect, but not to give away. And then i didnt even start on the Nox, who wouldnt give anything to any lower race

read above statements.

Asgard are wicked


The main problem with arguing is the timeline of the alliance of 4 great races, we do not know if the great alliance was during or after the Atlantis era(before is impossible, seeing as how the asgard only developed hyperdrive around the time the ancients returned)
if it was during, its quite obvious that the ancients shared tech with at least the asgard (we srsly need more nox info) and possibly the entire alliance

i would find it a big shame if the writers officialy stated: yeah, the ancients gave the other 3 racees all the tech they currently have. it would really take a lot of fun away from the nox and the asgard, and definately make the furlings less interesting

lets accept it, the writers have forgotten the great alliance